I know…
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The list that was submitted this week will have been ratified by HQ RAFAC the deadline of the 10th was for that ratified list to go to the Ministry of Defence Medal Office for them to provide the final confirmation. Obviously we don’t know if the lists submitted by the wings exactly match the list that was submitted by HQ RAFAC until the MODMO list comes back. Each step could have names removed if the view is they don’t meet the eligibility criteria.
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I do know there was talk of a sample being audited…but wether actually happened, god knows, im just waiting to be told yay or nay. Either way im not too fussed
I think a lot of people are the same they don’t care if they get it or not but the waiting to be told either way is really frustrating. I myself have uniform I want tailored but I’m holding of to see if I get it so I don’t have to put in a second time for addition of a medal ribbon.
Hopefully it won’t be much longer I’ve seen a few Sea Cadet Corps CFAVs post on various places that they’ve had theirs confirmed in last few days so suggests the SCC list has been returned by the MODMO although no idea if that was submitted any earlier than the RAFAC one.
Yeah same, i had to make the call to get mine tailored and CFM Mounted ahead of a parade on fri, so will need tweaking again if i get it
Curious if anyone that was involved with the corps for The QGJM or QDJM and knows was the system this slow and delayed and lacking information for the process of awarding those medals or have they gone to a much greater nitty grittiness with checks and lack of information to CFAV’s for the QPJM.
(Excluding the small amount of extra work involved for the addition of Over 18 service which didn’t count for QGJM & QDJM)
When we got the QDJM there was none of this “have you done enough days” stuff, if you had 5 years you got it and they all just turned up at WHQ.
I had only just done 5 years for the Gold Jubilee medal and some contemporaries missed out by weeks/months.
No delays on either medal. They just rocked up in a box with names on them and I dished them out.
None of this hassle for the QDJM, they just looked at service and awarded it.
That may be why we have issues this time around as so many people were awarded it who didn’t do a lot.
I think covid has highlighted a lot of ghost volunteers in the system where paperwork wasnt processed properlyz
Lots of medals left over for volunteers who had left & no contact details.
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Having looked at the DINs of Gold and Diamond there does seem to have always been a have you done enough days in each TY. seems that from what everyone is saying that previously Wings and HQ RAFAC just ignored that and issued on Length of service only for Gold and Diamond and I’m guessing someone noticed and they got their knuckles rapped for it and that’s why they are being so detailed this time.
The fact people volunteer and are willing to give up their free time is doing more than enough to get this. It’s only in our own little bubble that we have people (like us) who try to make people (like us) feel like they have to do loads of other things to deserve plaudits and be eligible for something like this. Perhaps the people who think and advocate this are in the wrong organisation.
The fact that our admin supremos can’t do the job they get paid to are supposed to and have dropped the ball, has sod all to do with us volunteers … the only people in the organisation who do anything remotely meaningful, no matter how much, it is far more than the salaried ones ever do.
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But that’s the issue, some volunteers are running absolutely ragged, others turn up & spend the night gassing & drinking tea.
If you volunteer your time that should be recognised, but those your turn up & get in the way should politely move on.
This is something HQ should have been measuring ages ago but never did although pre Bader it was probably quite hard to do.
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The org has never been good at recognising volunteers.
By all rights there should be 500 more MBE holders in the org. But there aren’t.
It’s still very much a ‘mates’ club and who you know. (Or who youre sleeping with).
I mean just as a basic point.
Do 10 years as an OC.
That’s gotta be automatic BEM time… surely?!
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I couldn’t agree more, but there probably isn’t the capacity in the Military Division of the Order to accommodate all of our ‘deserving cases’. Trying the Civil Division route is a non starter too because you’re competing against all other charities and voluntary organisations as well. I know that our Lords Lt suggest that their Commendations are one down from State Awards, but they’re not.
Just a thought and I’d be interested in peoples’ views, I’ve long belived that we need something along the lines of the military’s Meritorious Service Medal; a Cadet MSM if you like. A justified and carefully considered award that recognises the ‘above and beyond’ and which isn’t automatic after x years service like the CFM is. I’d probably limit the number to around 200 per year across all the cadet forces, that would make it special and if nominees didn’t make the grade, they wouldn’t get it just to fill quotas, so perhaps not all 200 would get awarded in a year if the field wasn’t good enough. I’d also suggest that there might be a need for a minimum qualifying criteria could be 25 - 30 years, but maybe not; the key thing is that it would be awarded following a written citation and formal Boarding by the MoD, not decided by single service cadet organisations. That way you’d get consideration of merit against the other cadet forces. And I’d have it available to all CFAVs, not just uniformed.
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Hahahahahahaha
Its not. Its really not.
Might as well be a food hygiene certificate.
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We’re veering off topic here, but wasn’t the BEM re-instituted to accommodate awarding more people than could be done with MBEs?
Are there separate military and civil lists for the BEM?
The Lord Lt is the monachs representative in that given location, so if they give you a commendation its them giving you one on behalf of the current monach, which sounds pretty close to 1 step down. But given this fourms opinions of them as worthless, then what it the next step down from State Awards? Even though the value of these types of awards and medals are only worth what the person reciving them thinks there worth. As I could get the VC, yet might only think of it as a piece of metal and a ribbon for doing my job.
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They only reinstated the civil BEM afaik. Though I think some military folk get awarded one on the civil list. Bringing it back on the military list but limiting it to CFAVs could work (although on a strict reading of the statutes of the order I don’t think CFAVs are eligible for the military list with the cadet forces commission. NCOs always went on the civil list as they were not reservists but officers went on they military list as they held a reserve commission but they haven’t changed that since withdrawing the commission)
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