ACP20 Pers Form 1-19


Yeah ok. Been in the military as well, survived 2 SDR’s and then left due to the MoD not knowing what they were doing, or so it appeared. Messed around with too many trades to try and cut costs, we had no idea what the plan was, we had no idea what the end game was, so I am well versed in being kept in the dark and getting on with things. I am not saying that all complaints were not valid, i am saying that the majority of complaints were just nonsensical because someone’s feelings were hurt.
Don’t sign the agreement, ask for it to be explained, sign / don’t sign totally your decision … i have read it, i have signed it, my staff have read it and signed it, because it makes no difference to us.


But now I have a civilian Commission, I’m part of a Military based organisation, not IN the Military! Our RC clearly stated at our Wings CO’s conference that we are not, and never have been, part of the RAF. The ATC is just a hobby, on par with his hobby of driving Trucks!

Anyway, enough of the debate… Time to wish everyone on ACC a Happy Christmas and an entertaining NewYear!!


Well I see the update to SMS allows us to sign and upload the VA. Simple I intend to put a line through of things I don’t agree with and up load it’s going to take manpower to printing or look at 15000 copies


That WAS YOUR JOB. You could not just up and leave. You were getting well paid to suck it up. Volunteers in the RAFAC are just that. Able to walk away. For most of my life the ATC has been apart of it. For me to walk away will be difficult but it that day is getting closer that aomthing will happen to push me over the edge. Thereis only so much you can suck up.


Yawn …


Actually, you can upload to say you’ve sign but the upload the certificate option isn’t working; found that out the other week when trying to upload a copy of my AFA certificate. :zipper_mouth_face:


Might be wrong I thought I see something about putting it on and then going in a second time to.upload the doc have a look.on landing or help page


Done it several times!! But to no avail.


My main issue with this document is the, we’ll take your time and effort for as long as we want and then dismiss you tomorrow with no mention of any due process to ensure it’s done fairly and with no personal bias.

Equally it is all a document about what you can do for us and nothing on their commitment for what they will do in return. Even just to ensure we are adequately trained to help prevent inadvertent transgressions. There are no benefits of volunteering listed. Other organisations I have volunteered for DO do this.

Even the VA section, you can do an approved duty but we’ll only pay you if we fancy it. BTW it is pay, the HMRC haven’t changed their definition, hence why we pay income tax and NI on the employment. Take a look on the HMRC website if you don’t believe me.


Watch this space once Christmas and New Year is out of the way im referring this to my union regional legal officer as to me its not something that would ever stand up in an employment tribunal and should be fought all the way.


Which union?


I will work on the basis that as they havent sent me any RAFAC tabs yet, that they clearly dont want me to consider this yet!


I really couldn’t care less what they think of me as their opinion carries no weight in my real life. They operate in a bubble punching way above their weight and if that bubble burst no one would be any the wiser or really, really care, outside of that bubble.


If you are trying to encourage people into the Corps as staff, having a stark, employment contract sounding agreement isn’t the way forward, especially as unlike many other organisations which rely on volunteers, youth organisations rely massively on people who are working and have families, so spare time is at a premium.

TBH if they decided to pursue some sort of discip action how the individual feels about the organisation at the time would influence their decision to challenge or not. As there is no financial reward what would be the reason to fight it? If it was allegations of financial or sexual misconduct you would be more inclined to fight, but little else, as you could just resign and get your life back.


That’s already my experience - there is sufficient antipathy towards the organisation, and I mean the structure and hierarchy rather than cadets, the Sqn and fellow staff, that people are just binning it rather than fight out an emotionally fraught and protracted battle in an attempt to prove their innocence.

Two recent cases leap to mind, one where the bloke was entirely innocent - and I know this because it was me who was involved in the incident, while the accused was about 4 miles away - and another the exact truth of which I’m not sure of. In both situations the people involved had left the organisation within a few weeks of being told that there was going to be an investigation into their conduct, and in both cases the accused told their colleagues, me in one of the cases, that the game simply wasn’t worth the candle. So they binned it.


Yep.Verdict is it is badly worded and if you (or me) was financially disadvantaged say if you did 8 days duty at camp and HQAC decided they would only pay you three by using their claim that there was no money.Then there would be a case to take to tribunal.Needless to say im not signing it period.


Incidentally has anyone challenged the signing of the new staff agreement?

Seems if you don’t sign it then you get terminated (only from service not from life). That wasn’t in the brochure when they were rolling out the CFC was it?

VR(T) Commission Change

Shame… I know a few people who should be terminated :smiling_imp:


What’s your source for that?

It’s not mentioned in the role out of the thing either.


A few of us questioned it at the COs Conference. The answers from the ‘top table’ were as banal as you can imagine.
Everyone said it was an employment contract but with none of the things that make employment contracts palatable. Which even go some sage nods from the top table.

Anyone know if it came up at convention?