You know what really grinds my gears? The Gears Strike Back

Oh no, busted! :rofl:

Sorry no. If this was such a necessity why wasn’t it enforced at the end of March? Millions of people have been walking around for months, in supermarkets initially, other shops eventually and going to and from work without one. Why aren’t they a requirement for pubs etc? If airborne transmission was as much as threat as it now seems to have become and this was so bad we’ve had to cripple the economy, where are all those cases and deaths?
What you will see is that what is already overpriced tat (these should be no more than 20p each) will shoot up in price. People will buy enough to last several lifetimes (remember loo rolls, pasta, sugar, flour, tinned goods et al in March) and it will be the same idiots buying them as did the food, they’ll need something to fill their cupboards up with. Stupid is as stupid does.
When this started and chinese, italians and spaniards were forced to stay at home, I was expecting something like Survivors (the 70s series) which I remember as being quite a scary watch,. I expected to be picking my way through bodies on the street as they drop like flies. All we’ve had is a more virulent type of cold/flu virus do the rounds,. This will become like storms and now every winter the latest flu will be given a name, just so the media can make it scarier than it is.
I was given a mask by my kids for father’s day as in their words you won’t waste your money on them. So I’m sorted. It will make shopping easier. It amuses me in a sad way to see people recoil as other people get near them.

I’ve got no clean and clear answer why it wasn’t considered before, or why not in pubs (although would make for interesting drinking techniques) but saw this answer on SM and thought it does offer a clear understanding why…

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‘here’s something that will help protect you, that will help protect others, and will be a visible reminder that we’re looking out for one another and taking this whole thing seriously. It’s not an inconvenience, it won’t affect you in any material way, but it contributes to the health and safety of everyone’

Speaks volumes

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We should be left to decide if we want to use one. if you feel vulnerable wear one, if not don’t. If they are that wonderful supply them to everyone or at the very least impose a price on them, no more than 20p, to stop supply/demand coming into the equation for something that’s supposed to be all wonderful and being conned. My dad 94 self isolated for 2 wks and ever since has gone out to the shops without one. They wouldn’t let me put his thoughts on here.
I remember being in cars without seat belts or air bags. When they became mandatory seat belts were fitted to cars, they weren’t an optional extra and the same with air bags although I’m not sure they are mandatory. One thing is for certain people drive much faster now than they did before seat belts as they feel safe in their cocoon of a car, with seat belts and increasingly all round air bags. My current car gets to 90mph without any trouble and sometimes depending on the road without realising.
My dad 94 self isolated for 2 wks and ever since has gone out to the shops without one. They wouldn’t let me put his thoughts on here.

The point is we’re trying to protect your non-mask wearing dad from catching a virus that would probably kill him.

For all I know I’m an asymptomatic carrier, I go to the shop without a mask and walk past your dad. I have hayfever too so let’s say I sneeze, the virus can then infect your dad. If I was wearing the mask the likelihood of any infectious droplets escaping to infect your dad is significantly reduced. The mask isn’t to protect the wearer but the innocent people they come into contact with.

I’m in my twenties and currently fitter than I have ever been. If I get sick with Covid it probably won’t kill me but I know that everyone needs to play their role and if it is as simple as wearing a piece of cloth I am happy to do that to protect more vulnerable people.

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The answer is The conservatives :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::see_no_evil::see_no_evil:

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This is the thin edge of the wedge, be prepared for more infringements. I am just glad we haven’t got a socialist or liberal govt, they’d have jumped all over this and we’d be in more of a mess.

Maybe if we had a socialist or liberal government like Jacinda Ardern’s in New Zealand we’d be out of this mess already? Who knows?

Conservative governments aren’t doing too well in the US or Brazil are they?

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No there was so much about NHS Trusts not having been or being able to procure enough masks etc, if they’d made it compulsory for everyone, as I suspect will happen, they’d have been brought in massive bulk by plebs.

Go post your political nonsense elsewhere. This garbage is unfounded and idiotic, even for you.

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Having experienced 2 socialist govts, I beg to differ.


They coped in 1918, why can’t you now?

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You truly are a cretin sometimes.

  1. the mask does not protect the wearer, it makes transmission to others from people without symptoms much less likely.
  2. any style of face covering is acceptable. No one is saying they need to be medical grade masks and indeed have said they shouldn’t be that, so we don’t run out for the people who genuinely need them.
  3. I guarantee you still use that seat belt in your car even though you think it unnecessary.
  4. Nigel Farage called, he wants his lack of a personality back.
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pEp for Prime Minister

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and would you say when this safety measure has come into play (made mandatory) that death rates dropped?

For ease i offer a source that they did

Injuries among samples of car accident cases attending the Accident & Emergency (A & E) department of a District General Hospital (DGH) in the year before and after the introduction of seat belt legislation were classified applying the Abbreviated Injury Scale using information recorded in the patient case notes…
…The number of those who escaped injury increased by 40%…
…those with mild and moderate injuries decreased by 35% after seatbelt legislation.…
…There was a significant reduction in soft tissue injuries to the head.
Only whiplash injuries to the neck showed a significant increase.

does that indicate that a madatory safety feature helps?

as such surely a face mask is the same thing?

consider the cars before and post seat belts that is as much to do with the capability of the car and the culture as much as it does with seat belts.

taking the Ford Fiesta as a straightforward everyday example.
in 1983 the entry level Fiesta had 40hp, top speed of 81mph, with a frightening 0-60 of 18 seconds
(source)

today’s equivalent model has 98bhp, top speed of 111mph, with a reasonable 0-60 of 12 seconds
(source)

that is just the latest model in 1983 - there would have been cars pre-1980s still on the roads then.

yes people drive faster, and yes drivers feel safer, but technology has allow this to happen.
people take “more risks” as there is something there to protect them.

consider the face mask now, we’re happy to take “more risk” by leaving our homes, as there is something to help protect us - a face mask, worn by all…

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You can tell how limp the mask wearing is as there is a fine for not doing so, which effectively forces people to wear them. But still if wearing a mask is as beneficial as we are now being told, why weren’t infection rates through the roof before? Regardless of being made to stay at home in effect, people have been out and about and given the hysteria inducing hyperbole since Feb, the infection rates are nothing like you might have expected. If we had, had much, much higher infection and deaths, then there is an argument, but now we are out of the flu season with higher ambient temperatures, the argument is flawed and it is just giving in to media pressure. If I thought it benefited me I’d have been wearing one ages ago. It has been an interesting social experiment since the end of March into how much irrational fear people can be made to feel of their fellow man/woman, just by the suggestion of getting ill. I’ve not seen this before and it is scary as it makes you wonder as and when this version of virus becomes less of a problem, what the future holds when we have ‘normal’ flu doing the rounds. I can see people queuing up for flu jabs this year expecting to get one for this current version, which is not going to be available as they won’t have been able to do the proper clinical trials. If you have a flu jab you can still get the flu as they can’t give you a jab for every eventuality.

The seat belt argument is null as if you don’t wear one it’s hassle if the plod stop you and everyone else will still be driving fast etc. I’ve driven old landy’s on a local farm with and without seatbelts fitted and it makes you aware of speed far more without one. What would be good is a no seat belt month as the muppets (99% in German cars) who fly past and then anchor up to get into the filter lanes at the last moment, causing people to brake unnecessarily, might not be so keen to drive like idiots.

You really are an absolute emphasis .
Out of interest how do you fit your headdress over that massive tin foil hat?

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was seat belt wearing universally taken up by everyone 100% when it came in?
i know people of a certain generation who still don’t like wearing them

see the image above

we had social distancing and other measures in place. those who went to work either donned PPE (eg masks) or simply avoided close proximity to each other

are you suggesting that the lockdown was pointless?
that is certainly how i am reading it - because people were not wearing masks we should have had a higher rate of infection and deaths regardless of the fact people were not seeing anyone else physically…???

really??? that is the biggest negative for not wearing one and your driver for wearing one yourself and ensuring your passengers, be that your family or Cadets wear one…you don’t want a telling off from the plod??

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