whos waiting for bill gates to be mentioned?
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Then why did you bring it up in the first place?
Almost as though you havenât got a single point and just want to be a contrary tool for the sake of it.
Do us all a favour and forget your login.
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Did this absolute tool just compare the risk of wearing a seatbelt on the road, with driving a land rover around a farm?
Thatâs like saying I donât need to wear shoes outside to protect my feet because I wear shoes inside all the time with no injuries.
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For anyone doubting wearing a mask, see here:
For a brilliant demonstration of why you should ignore Teflon more than anyone with a braincell would anyway.
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It isnât supposed to benefit you.
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We made that point several posts ago. Itâs almost like he isnât reading anything and just posts whatever utter bilgewater he spews just to annoy one. One could consider it trollingâŚ
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I did the see comment and Iâve heard all about wearing them to make people less scared, but I still donât see the benefit to me wearing one, other than avoiding a financial penalty. If people are genuinely that scared donât go out, which as been the message from before day 1 which quite a number took advantage of, as they wouldnât be penalised by emplpyers. Masks are only mandatory inside shops, so outside take them off. I doubt anyone who has had to wear a mask at work and thought this is OK, for any longer than absolutely needed. Why do people generally comply with rules/regs/laws ⌠fear of the consequences, which are invariably financial, not for a warm fuzzy feeling. If someone said you havenât got to do it, would you do it?
I donât understand how people are so willing to dance to whatever tune is played and seemingly believe everything put in front of them (the govt probably canât believe it either) not question or look at it from a side angle. The line taken on here is not one Iâve recognised talking to neighbours and people at work, people are fed up with new rules etc, that come in on a flimsy basis. It is dangerous to just accept things on face value as presented and not apply some thinking of your own especially as the stats are so muddled (globally not just nationally), as to the effects and how they may affect you. We are not comparing like with like, no two countries or areas within them are the same, so you cannot say they do this and so must we. There is no baseline control, so you end up with what are in effect draconian placebo measures. You can see getting a bit of a cold being a reason for more than do so now to stay off work and expect no censure.
I feel sorry for kids being subjected to the paranoia (and being around people playing into it) this has created with all these measures and seeing it as normal.
To quote FDR, âwe have nothing to fear but fear itselfâ. People have been made to be fearful and conditioned by constant messages of doom and gloom since Feb/Mar, this is now dominating and unless the govt starts to dispel this feeling of fear by removal of measures, we are going nowhere fast. This will I suspect manifest itself in Sept when children are expected to go to school and parents made paranoid / fearful regardless of the steps taken by schools, keep them at home.
I think all measures should be rescinded and leave to the individuals as to what they do and no financial penalties. If something like this doesnât happen, then this is life for at least another year and every single flu season thereafter, as viruses like this donât ever just go away.
Because theyâve been created with the assistance of science rather than the opinion of some middle aged bloke.
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unless your in americaâŚwhere a senial old man takes the science, disagrees with it and goes with his gut feelingâŚ
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I would if I thought I could kill someone by transmitting a disease I didnât even know I had? Wouldnât you?
If only everyone would believe what theyâve been told - itâs the people that say âIt wontât happen to meâ, the people who believe they are special and donât have to comply with the rules like everyone else, and the people who believe itâs just a massive hoax (For some reason, I thought of you @Teflon when I read this News Story) that are the problem.
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I both ski and cycle. In neither world are helmets mandatory, however the vast majority of participants use them.
As per, you donât know what youâre talking about and mistake your ignorance for experience.
I also find it laughable that you bemoan people following rules when youâre - supposedly - a member of a uniformed organisation.
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It would seem there is going to be an inquiry into covid19. Should be pretty quick; people got ill, some died, the majority didnât. I do hope we get proper figures in terms of total population, rather than the smaller population that got ill, which over inflates the % who had C19 cited on their death cert. One of friendâs dad died at the end of March after suffering a stroke 2 weeks earlier, his wife said he went ballistic when the doctor put C19 among the things that killed his dad. As far as heâs concerned it taints his dadâs passing. These cases need to be expunged from public record and only those where they died purely of C19 and not where they think it contributed. Then we will get a true picture of this virus and all countries need to report in the same way.
In our area today
population c.178000
total cases 3%
deaths (where C19 is cited among everything else on the death certificate not just stand alone) 0.08%.
If you take deaths as a percentage of the number of cases (where C19 is cited among everything else on the death certificate not just stand alone) itâs a much more headline friendly 28%, 0.08% although the real figure doesnât really create the right atmosphere.
Itâs also going to be an inquiry into the governmentâs totally inept handling of the crisis.
I donât know if you watched the Home Affairs Select Committee today but itâs pretty clear that the Home Secretary still has no idea what sheâs talking about in terms of the quarantine for incoming travelers.
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Almost impossible to go back and work that out. Quite frankly the only sensible way to interpret the impact that C19 has caused, in terms of people who have died, is to compare deaths per week to the last 5 year average. (Excess Deaths)
This works two fold, one it removes people who died as in the example youâve given, who in ânormalâ circumstances would have died anyway. Same for the silly things like someone dying in a car crash and happening to have C19. But it also would count people that died as a by-product. A theoretical example being someone who gets chest pain but decides against hospital in case they catch C19. Or operations being delayed because of C19.
Excess deaths is the only real way to measure and compare, imo.
Youâre right about excess deaths, and an initial review of these would help get the picture.
A better picture is if that review discounts any differences from activities that were banned/had reduced participation.
A further review after 2 or three years of chronic illness deaths compared to average would then also assist in painting a more accurate picture⌠But thatâs still 2-3 years that people were robbed of.
Also, ongoing monitoring of any chronic illnesses that were not present before someone contracted CV-19 is needed.
It will be a waste of time and taxpayerâs money, lining the pockets of faceless legal types. We just need to accept this so called novel virus came along, was with us before Christmas, people had got ill with fluey symptoms and did what they normally did and cracked on. End of Feb through March people flapped and spun expecting the govt to wipe their noses and backsides. It was interesting that the caseload only really seemed to increase once weâd been locked down, before that very low numbers, probably as people didnât know they had something other than a fluey illness. Iâm pretty certain me and my wife had a light form of this in Feb, but it was a case of paracetamol etc and just get on with life, but no one told us then it was something to be scared of so we werenât. There seems to have been a lot of time and money spent to make this seem worse than it is, as I say misreported circumstances of cause of death has added to the numbers.
As and when they do have an inquiry the NHS needs to be looked at and a blue sky project undertaken. There is massive waste within the system, that could save money or get it directed to the right points. How you can have admin managers who seem to be there just to have meetings all day and building work and refurbs where the hospital people or those they employ do not understand building regs, resulting in plans being redone or not realising they need to do something until after a job has finished and having to get it redone and meetings with lots of people who donât need to be there or want to discuss paint colour!! Then there is procurement. The NHS needs a centralised procurement, which negotiates contracts with suppliers and trusts dip order based on those prices. It might only be a stationery budget bit we get for instance boxes of 50 ball points for 75p and 10 dry wipes for 80p, which are at least a third of list. When you see stories of NHS trusts spending massively different amounts on boxes of gloves, something is wrong somewhere. Drs who work for a hospital referring people onto their private list, which could well mean being âdoneâ in the same hospital. This has to stop. Doctors are not underpaid in pure salary numbers, but Iâm not sure many places would allow you to do a job and do exactly the same job in the same place getting paid on top of a salary. This situation was one one of my brotherâs-in-law found himself in with one of my nieces. She needed an operation, NHS 6-9 month minimum wait, private with the same Dr 10 days in the same hospital and ÂŁ15000. He went private purely for his daughterâs sake. When he asked why the differences he was in words just given loads of waffle and BS, which he still smirks about as it made no sense.
However it will take a politician of exceptional fortitude to suggest anything like this regarding the NHS, given how drippy people get over the NHS, but it seriously needs something happening to it and not just give over more money to the trusts.
Nurse! Granddadâs forgotten his pills again.
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I have a face.
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Wise, best not to go down that rabbit hole.
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Something about feeding a troll, I think?
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