You know what really grinds my gears? The Gears Strike Back

Not at all. “Set out your stall” well before the event & the voters will understand - historically, Switzerland has used a 10% majority requirement as being a sufficient gap to show national acceptance. The same for clearly outlining the positives / negatives for leaving / remaining.

If anything (albeit from the Swiss perspective), my ex-colleagues from that country suggested that a specified majority was a good incentive to vote for your chosen cause. :wink:

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We did more than enough damage to any deal ourselves. We didn’t even ask for those sorts of deals.

Any Single Market / EFTA deal was dead in the water the moment the EU insisted that free trade somehow includes the free movement of people.

But that was one of the things the leave campaign knew when they sold it!

And, of course they come as one, that was why they’re the fundamental freedoms!

Gosh it was nearly 10 years ago, 5 years since we officially left. Let’s not relitigate and try and get on with it

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Except that apparently one of the key people who lied to us all then is looking to be the favourite to run the country in 2030…

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And one of the key people who wanted to overturn the largest democratic vote in our history is currently prime minister, and he’s got over so maybe you should too

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I never understood the idea that you could overturn democracy with more democracy.
Heck, we do it every 5 years!

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The Quitters whinged, yapped and whined for 40 years and eventually got their way. Why shouldn’t the remainers/rejoiners do the same when the example of how to act has now been set?

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The opposition in parliament don’t just sit down and shut up for 5 years. Brexit, or any other political topic, shouldn’t be any different, that’s part of democracy.

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Especially when now it’s not all theory, we can point to what actually has happened.

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What you can’t point at is how much worse Covid might have been if were still in the EU, with delayed vaccination approvals and slower procurement.

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I can point to that not being true though

“Could have” but we all know it wouldn’t have. One of the reasons for Brexit was that the UK Civil Service always used EU rules as an excuse not to do stuff like that.

This also doesn’t address the point about EU vaccination procurement.

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Is that really what happened? Or did most people accept joining the Common Market and then the European Economic Community, but got increasingly sceptical about political union, particularly after the significant changes (rejected in multiple referenda when it was called a constitution) slipped into the Lisbon Treaty?

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I think most people who voted for Brexit knew nothing about any of that. Most people who voted for Brexit saw a big red bus promising millions more to the NHS. Or some equivalent advert that resonated with them, but ended up being completely false.

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Do people honestly think that we aren’t spending £350m+ a day more than we did pre-Brexit on the NHS?

Yes, and characters.

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Spending an extra £350M a week on the NHS was surpassed long ago, not because of Brexit but because the NHS is a behemoth that absorbs tax funding like a sponge.

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