Apologies maybe was a bit aggressive. it gripes me that boss calls a stop to keep everyone safe but some see that it doesn’t apply to them, which to me shows they don’t care about the safety of themselves or others. So maybe best if ccf and atc stay seperate so we can’t be tainted with same disregard. Discussions are good but ultimately itscthe chain of command who determine what goes on. I will take your point on board and maybe the resultant responses will demonstrate why ccf and atc doesnt work well together for some