nope I have heard that pellets should be counted too…
and the 2000 limit (for 0.22 rounds) was also in place even thought pellets are not 1.4s nor live!
I don’t know who told you that but they were making it up.
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I rather assessed that to be the case too… For me it was just easier to take 6 tubs of pellets home than to argue the point.
I’d already made myself unpopular by telling the HQ guy that he was wrong every time he came out with some nonsense which made life far harder than it needs to be (and which I knew to be demonstrable nonsense).
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Had that battle.
It’s the need for an ammo orderly too…
I have one job don’t take it away from me.
Here’s something I’ve never considered before.
The new risk assessment has boxes to be signed by “Activity Commander” and “ Second Signature OC or Nominated Rep”.
If you are the OC or nominated Rep do you still need to get that second box signed? Or is it redundant?
Yes, it still needs to be signed by an independent person.
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as in not part of the staff team for that event??
How independent are we talking?
Just not the person who wrote the risk assessment. Don’t over think it.
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It doesn’t specifically have to be your OC either. I’ve had my 2IC for an event sign and that’s been accepted without question.
As re says, it just requires a second person to ‘sanity check’, but obviously they probably ought to have knowledge of the subject.
Not much use asking a non-expert to check and countersign an expert RA for a specific discipline.
Hence my confusion, as the Activity Commander and the SME there isn’t much point getting the Boss to sign off on it as it isn’t their area of expertise.
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On the course I did, it was described as a ‘management check’ only - i.e. it’s not another SQEP person reviewing the adequacy of the controls / hazards. Just that it generally makes sense I think?
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To be honest, yes, that’s what I was told as well.
But it seems utterly stupid to me, so where I can I get someone who knows what they’re on about to check it.
Ultimately, if anything were to go wrong and I’m in court defending my RA I’d like to have another expert saying “Yes, I agreed with those controls”, rather than someone who has no idea about it but signed off anyway.
I entirely agree with you and that’s why my independent person is always a competent AT type. It would be a competent shootist for a shooting RA as well.
It also seems a bit redundant when applications where there is higher level of risk have to be counter-signed by the OC or an SME on SMS anyway.
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Well it’s a good job that most RA’s for squadron activities are written by an appropriately paid and qualified person not just whichever person gets the task thrown at them (sometimes even OC’s who are still just volunteers with day jobs!)
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Aye.
And there in particular, you raise a very valid point… The legal standing of RAs which are written by people who are not suitably trained to conduct an RA is pretty damned thin!
Does our approach to RA training and assurance really fill the requirements? I’m not sure I’d like to see it tested.
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I’ve always thought it stupid that as OC I have to countersign risk assessment despite not having a clue if they are adequate or not. But I’m told I have to, so I do. Seems bonkers.
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CCF already using them via Army , I can send you one if you really like, but you ought to have training first as expectations on completion are complex’ish
I think the need for the management check is that you are aware and agree the control measures that are in place and when the activity takes places you know what control measures should be being used.
If an incident takes place and you are asked “did the activity IC implement the control measures they said they would” you can answer either way rather than be in the dark.
It also prevents people putting down control measures to tick box an activity, having no intention of implementing those measures.
Finally it allow you as OC to review the control measures and actually decide if they are deliverable or realistic. In the past I have bounced one of my staffs AT activity as the control measures in their risk assessment didn’t match their activity plan or admin order.
Yes, they were the Sqn SME but it didn’t mean I couldn’t question items which didn’t seem right.