Uniform standards... discuss


Indeed. The public services use the gas/liquid tight suits. However, how does it effect your shooting? Are you able to hold an aim?
It’s an awfully big bit of kit and makes you a bigger target.

Powered, so you need more batteries and more weight? And limited, how does adverse weather effect it?
Some types require the use of BA inside the suits. Shall we just through on a SCBA set under our top flap too?
Can’t exactly have different stages of donning for different situations with one either.
What’s it like for tabbing in?

Are you able to live in said suits for days on end? Have you not read the NBC drill for taking a dump? And of course the two finger sniff test.


Maybe not for you, but despite this being a first world country there are still a lot of people who aren’t used to or know how to wash, keep clean and shave. That’s why week 1 day 1 is still instructions on how to wash and shave.

These lessons were also learnt in the trenches. It’s not difficult. If you raf/desk types want to grow a beard so bad, go right ahead! It’s the that hard to shave and it’s not a hardship. It’s only a beard.


Not at Cranwell it isn’t :wink:


Aye, that will be the caviar recognition.

Or the course on how to buy shares in companies that will shaft the people under your command and screw up the forces when you are due to retire so it’s not your problem.

Or how to go over every exsisting acronym and change it so it looks like you have done some work, and get a pay rise.

Or how to manipulate your time in the forces to shaft everyone you have under you just so you get a good CV to go on to Whitehall as a good little yes man puppet and shaft the forces.


No, those are resettlement, not phase 1.


Oh the word civilians says it all, please don’t forget we are all now civilians licensed to wear the RAF’s uniform, by the RAF for the RAF’s purpose and their purpose only.

That is just semantics, I imagine BALPA don’t like the word uniform as calling it uniform may have overtones for some.
It’s still doing what a uniform does which is making everyone look the same … ie uniform.


BALPA can think what they like; it is still a uniform!


Thread drift😂


Currently that’s what I’m doing; verbally someone has told me the CCF(RAF) will be wearing the purple CCF TRF the Army issued last year, but nothing’s appeared in writing as far as I can see. Personally I’d rather have a RAFAC TRF though I know the rank tab says RAF Air Cadets.


Our wing has just been informed that following that letter that the sector WO’s will be conducting an inspection of all uniform staff to check standards. Part of me says ‘fair enough’ part says ‘so are they admitting that for 30+ years they accept they havent been doing their job propery’ and part says 'that is moving my ‘doomesday clock’ closer to midnight.


Just wait till they finally get in the 3-annual uniformed staff drill standards checks!


Dong … Dong … Dong … the sound of the passing bell, how long before it becomes the death knell?

I remember when WOs (as I was one) weren’t so intent on creating jobs / empires for themselves, which is how the seem to be evolving.

Why are we so intent on getting excited about the little things, when there are so many big things wrong with the Corps.


Were they ever not concerned with improving (and if necessary, enforcing) standards of drill and dress in the ATC? The main drive is to ensure that our personnel aren’t an embarrassment to us and to the RAF when working in public, including maintaining uniform standards and making sure that those participating on parades are actually capable of marching neatly and know how to turn!

The concept behind a drill check will be to ensure that those parading in public are capable of doing so. Fail to meet the standards (after assistance) and you don’t get to be on a public parade. There is a similar mindset to formally sign off sing banner bearers as competent for public duties.

You are right in that there are some empire-builders who will be looking for a much higher standard of drill than is strictly necessary, which may be why I’ve seen little more of this check than when it was mooted a couple of years ago. Some wings may have already implemented something locally though.


It’s because of the other, more significant problems and the apparent intractability of them.


it is because we are capable of addressing multiple issues at the same time.
The drill and dress ones should be easier and faster to improve than the failures of flying and shooting.


What are you basing that on?!?


TBH the imperative to be overly concerned was never really there or not that we were ever made aware of and believe me the WWOs I had as a cadet and early life in uniform, were tartars due to their background. Things were done to a level which satisfied the need, but you didn’t go around checking and getting snotty with people, as I’ve seen in recent years.

I will say that anyone speaking to me like that, would not get the response they felt they would get. I’m not some wet behind the ears 20 something ex-cadet still in awe of WOs. I’m a grizzled old timer, who has little or no regard for people who get shouty.

What I don’t really understand in all of this, where is the negative for the staff? Uniform doesn’t fit properly and or drill not up to scratch, don’t parade, where is the downside for the staff concerned?
If we lose uniformed staff through any of this, it is the cadets that suffer. Will there be a acceptance of resignations? Will there be potentially acceptance of a number uniformed staff becoming CIs?

I think increasingly that for people who want an adult experience in the ATC being a CI is the best thing. As uniformed staff we are treated as little more than very old cadets, we are not treated like adults.


I am basing it on the demonstrable fact that we are addressing multiple issues at the same time.


Not to mention the completely different personnel and roles involved.

The WWOs are not all going to descend en-masse on Cranwell or High Wycombe and suddenly sort out the AEF issue for example.


Fixed that for you :roll_eyes: