This makes me smile, because you yourself have recently been photographed in your local station mag with something other than a SATT badge on your MTP blanking plate (stood next to the Comdt, no less!)… :ohmy:
This makes me smile, because you yourself have recently been photographed in your local station mag with something other than a SATT badge on your MTP blanking plate (stood next to the Comdt, no less!)… :ohmy:
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This makes me smile, because you yourself have recently been photographed in your local station mag with something other than a SATT badge on your MTP blanking plate (stood next to the Comdt, no less!)… :ohmy:
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that is a sqn badge that was fully authorised via ATF and RAF Clothing - grow up - next your be telling me no rolled up sleeves on mtp[/quote]
That just doesn’t wash. Now I’m no expert, but AP1358C makes no reference at all to Sqn Badges being worn on a blanking plate, only Authorised SATT Badges. Nor is there a mention of this authorisation process.
Now it can’t be fair that your Sqn gets to have these because they have the RWO on the unit.
I’d also question as to what benefit they bring to the (dare I say it) Cadet Experience. At least the SATT badge assist staff in identifying the experts
This makes me smile, because you yourself have recently been photographed in your local station mag with something other than a SATT badge on your MTP blanking plate (stood next to the Comdt, no less!)… :ohmy:
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that is a sqn badge that was fully authorised via ATF and RAF Clothing - grow up - next your be telling me no rolled up sleeves on mtp[/quote]
That just doesn’t wash. Now I’m no expert, but AP1358C makes no reference at all to Sqn Badges being worn on a blanking plate, only Authorised SATT Badges. Nor is there a mention of this authorisation process.
Now it can’t be fair that your Sqn gets to have these because they have the RWO on the unit.
I’d also question as to what benefit they bring to the (dare I say it) Cadet Experience. At least the SATT badge assist staff in identifying the experts[/quote]
… and insignia contained herein and / or approved by the RAF Dress Policy Committee (DPC) may be affixed to CS95/PCS-MTP.
There is even a badge register - and your right its not fair, my cadets had it before I came a RWO it makes them easy to identify which sqn they belong too. Also back on topic please - i.e. no rolled up sleeves on wedgwood shirts
A few points.
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How can I get a squadron badge approved for use on MTP. We tried years ago and it never went anyway. Not even a reply.
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Does 1358c say we can roll sleeves up in MTP?
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Whilst I appreciate this is still thread creep, we’re all still broadly talking about the same topic (i.e. breaches of dress regulations and why people get so jumped up about it). Therefore I’m not going to post a warning unless it gets very silly.
[quote=“pEp” post=20461]A few points.
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How can I get a squadron badge approved for use on MTP. We tried years ago and it never went anyway. Not even a reply.
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Does 1358c say we can roll sleeves up in MTP?
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Whilst I appreciate this is still thread creep, we’re all still broadly talking about the same topic (i.e. breaches of dress regulations and why people get so jumped up about it). Therefore I’m not going to post a warning unless it gets very silly.[/quote]
feel free to PM re the sqn badge, I spent several months investigating, talking to people, looking the regulations. You can roll sleeves up, it was a DIN notices sent out by the CAS - I have a copy of the DIN and it has been accepted by all.
[quote=“wokkaman” post=20462][quote=“pEp” post=20461]A few points.
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How can I get a squadron badge approved for use on MTP. We tried years ago and it never went anyway. Not even a reply.
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Does 1358c say we can roll sleeves up in MTP?
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Whilst I appreciate this is still thread creep, we’re all still broadly talking about the same topic (i.e. breaches of dress regulations and why people get so jumped up about it). Therefore I’m not going to post a warning unless it gets very silly.[/quote]
feel free to PM re the sqn badge, I spent several months investigating, talking to people, looking the regulations. You can roll sleeves up, it was a DIN notices sent out by the CAS - I have a copy of the DIN and it has been accepted by all.[/quote]
Given the regularity that the cadet version of 1358 is updated, why has this not be written in? Was it not this DIN that highlighted the shirt to be tucked in, this features within the AP, but the sleeves not?
I think that there may be more of us than just PEP interested in the Squadron badge, maybe this is a policy/process that could be added in a sensible location on SharePoint, and thus accessible by all that are interested.
[quote=“Oddjob” post=20463][quote=“wokkaman” post=20462][quote=“pEp” post=20461]A few points.
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How can I get a squadron badge approved for use on MTP. We tried years ago and it never went anyway. Not even a reply.
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Does 1358c say we can roll sleeves up in MTP?
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Whilst I appreciate this is still thread creep, we’re all still broadly talking about the same topic (i.e. breaches of dress regulations and why people get so jumped up about it). Therefore I’m not going to post a warning unless it gets very silly.[/quote]
feel free to PM re the sqn badge, I spent several months investigating, talking to people, looking the regulations. You can roll sleeves up, it was a DIN notices sent out by the CAS - I have a copy of the DIN and it has been accepted by all.[/quote]
Given the regularity that the cadet version of 1358 is updated, why has this not be written in? Was it not this DIN that highlighted the shirt to be tucked in, this features within the AP, but the sleeves not?
I think that there may be more of us than just PEP interested in the Squadron badge, maybe this is a policy/process that could be added in a sensible location on SharePoint, and thus accessible by all that are interested.[/quote]
I am trying to document the process to be signed off to be then sent out - I am on leave as of Friday - but will follow up thereafter, on the DIN subject I have access to the Defence Intranet and the correct Din, I just put the wrong comment there relating to v1.06, removed and I will chase the next ver
happy to help 
The amazing problem with DIN is that we don’t have access to it - unless someone starts giving it to us or we happen to work with it then we can’t see things like that.
I’m curious as to how wokka has access to the Defence intranet but not the vast majority of ACO staff? Does he work for the MOD or is he piggybacking off his mates at Odiham or does he obtain access via his WHQ?
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that is a sqn badge that was fully authorised via ATF and RAF Clothing -[/quote]
In which case, I happily swallow my words and eat my hat! 
That comes from a long list of people that I would call ‘informed’ when it comes to the dress regs, all of whom spout off that ‘no other badge than the SATT/JL badge to be worn’, especially when they see Sqn badges. More clarity would be great, because its common-held belief that there is no process for Sqns to authorise such a flash.
I work for the mod
Surely the guiding principle as to whether getting excited is required is, did the public comment adversely? You said you get emails from the general public. Are these really the general public or serving / ex-serving types who just like to play up? What sort of things get said, because in 2½ decades I’ve never had anyone from the general public say anything to me about the cadets on parades etc except good things. As long as they look smart and about the same, given the variability of colours, who cares if sleeves are rolled up, down, inside out or whatever. I know I won’t or couldn’t worry about it.
Just because someone in the know as such sees it, is irrelevant. They need to be told thank you for the comment and then consign it to file B1N.
If I’m honest this thread comes about because someone in a job needs to pipe up on something unimportant just to let everyone know they’re still there. Our old mate Donald is a prime example.
So let me get this straight. You’re having a moan and a whinge about people in the organization not following the AP and making up their own rules on an ad-hoc basis. But you’re swanning around wearing a badge which is allegedly approved by a document and an essentially ad-hoc process which no one else in the organization has ever heard of and isn’t mentioned in an AP which explicitly states that extra unapproved badges are not to be worn?
Right…
Would you like a hand down off your high horse?
I clearly showed the section in the AP stating approved badges are allowed, I would publish the register but it’s an Official document on the defence intranet and the badge has been in front of ATF face to face and conforms to the badge size type and being non offensive.
You can’t\won’t provide evidence your badge has been approved but merely ask us to take you at your word whilst lambasting the rest of us mere mortals about using common sense and having shirt sleeves rolled up in hot weather?
Bad drills and double standards all round. Is this what the new CACWO is breeding?
PS: It’s just struck me. How DID all those members of the public obtain your email address anyway? Do you have it written on a sign which you place round your neck?
I have to be honest, it doesn’t wash with me. If it’s been approved by the RAF Dress Policy Committee then it should appear in AP1358C, in paragraph 0430 which lists the “authorised badges to be worn on CS95/MTP.” Otherwise what’s the point? We could all wear whatever badges we liked and say they’re on the approved list which 90% of the organisation can’t see. As far as I’m concerned, it sin’t authorised for wear until it appears in that list.
What’s the point of you coming here and complaining about people not singing off the same hymn sheet then turning around and telling us all there’s a restricted and unheard of annex hymn sheet which acts as a get out of jail free card?
The simple fact of the matter is this. People will not believe you until it appears in the AP. So pass that up the chain of command. If it’s true it won’t take long for updates to appear in 1358C. I hear CACWO answers his emails pretty quick.
Please be constructive, but remember not to be personal.
one rule for HQAC and its local mates, and one rule for everyone else? no, i don’t believe it…
I have to be honest, it doesn’t wash with me. If it’s been approved by the RAF Dress Policy Committee then it should appear in AP1358C, in paragraph 0430 which lists the “authorised badges to be worn on CS95/MTP.” Otherwise what’s the point? We could all wear whatever badges we liked and say they’re on the approved list which 90% of the organisation can’t see. As far as I’m concerned, it sin’t authorised for wear until it appears in that list.
What’s the point of you coming here and complaining about people not singing off the same hymn sheet then turning around and telling us all there’s a restricted and unheard of annex hymn sheet which acts as a get out of jail free card?
The simple fact of the matter is this. People will not believe you until it appears in the AP. So pass that up the chain of command. If it’s true it won’t take long for updates to appear in 1358C. I hear CACWO answers his emails pretty quick.[/quote]
we are trying to get a non official one for ACO only (listing upto 960+ badges in ap1358c would be a bit much) as the official (as in under old rules restricted) one has information in it
I will happily get it into the next ver of 1358c… On leave on Friday but will sort upon my return