Hopefully the title got you to look in the post - STOP cadets (and staff that tell them it’s ok) from rolling up sleeves and removing ties…
Its not allowed - EVER
Rant over
STOP - “Wedgewood” Shirts!
It is spelled “Wedgwood”!
(But also yes.)
[quote=“incubus” post=20242]STOP - “Wedgewood” Shirts!
It is spelled “Wedgwood”!
(But also yes.)[/quote]
fast typing, fat fingers = bad spelling - corrected, thank you
Hopefully you have the CACWO on board with this one
its the rules - simple as
Same rules fur staff, no removing ties, even under jumper
Unless its a short sleeve shirt under your jumper!
Unless its a short sleeve shirt under your jumper![/quote] NOPE - that has been ended under the current ACP1358c
Indeed, that used to be the case but now we’re forbidden from wearing jerseys with No2B at all.
The version of AP1858C AL18 available on the RAF website still allows it, and allows 2(Full) without a tie… but wokkaman has a different version of AL18 from DII, so apparently the one on the website has not been correctly updated.
Only time I have ever seen this happen is at Wing events where it has been particularly warm (a distinct rarity in these parts) and the Wingco or his deputy have ordered ties off to avoid cadets keeling over. As long as we remain ‘uniform’ I don’t see the issue. Duty of care towards our cadets overrides blind adherence to the dress regs.
MB
I’ve seen it happen more commonly where someone has ordered cadets into Wedgwoods, where working blues would have been perfectly appropriate.
IMO duty of care doesn’t have to mean abandoning the dress regs in these cases. When we have cadets standing on parade in warm weather we don’t tell them to take off their ties and roll up their sleeves; we simply ensure they are properly hydrated and rested as often as practicable. That works just fine.
Whilst duty of care is of course of prime importance I do think it’s overused as a bit of a cop out on a number of occasions.
happening far, far too much… if the weather is predicted to be hot then dictate uniform appropriate to do the task
wouldn’t it be easier if they just released a small document which showed you changes. First I knew of this is on an internet post.
Now my usual winter dress of short sleeve shirt and jersey with no tie is no more!!! :mad:
It really isn’t difficult to do an amendments sheet - we always used to have them!!!
Same.
Nearly the same for me. My super-winter dress of long sleeve shirt and jersey with no tie is no more. I’ll have to revert to my normal winter dress of short sleeve shirt.
Ooooh Im ever so sure that Mr Marsh is definately on board with this…probably in the first class section too.
I did always wonder why you chaps were so against your cadets wearing short sleeved shirts. I find it looks odd walking around in a long sleeved shirt and tie in summer. Then again also see some wearing jumpers it summer which seems doubly odd!
Only the tedious bores on ACC thought that there was anything wrong with this photo:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/newsweather/index.cfm?storyid=BF050AE1-1143-EC82-2E6A4CDD7D63BD73
The rest of the country thought “What fine, smart young people, doing their bit for the country.” The RAF clearly agreed, as they awarded a photographic prize for the photo, regardless of the alleged dress regs faux pas.
As I was standing six feet away when the photo was taken, I can confirm that the day started out sodding freezing cold, with a forecast stating that the clear skies would turn to sea fog along the coast, resulting in a very cool day. The Camp Comm therefore dictated wedgwoods, ties and jumpers. In the event, the weather totally burned off by the start of the parade and became very hot indeed, resulting in first a change to shirtsleeves and then, when cadets started dropping left, right and centre, a change to the mode of dress shown and sod the uniformologists.
Funny how the veteran managed shirt, tie, jumper and blazer in the very hot weather yet the cadets could not!
To be fair, the older generations seem to have managed a lot better with warmer layers than modern people. Have you ever tried to do anything in battledress? wool pants, wool shirt, wool socks, wool trousers and wool dress blouse? It’s like fighting in a sauna!
I agree with GOM. Needs must. I remember being on camp in Cyprus and the cadet warrant officers deciding that we could take ties off and roll up sleeves as it was sweltering. Similarly, this year at Nijmegen the OC BMC ordered that when it got particularly hot the contingent could strip down to just under-shirts (except in certain areas of the march.) again, not strictly uniform but a bloody good idea in the circumstances.