Very good point’
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It was worse when I wasn’t a NCO. Confused quite a lot of the junior cadets with the steering wheel of power.
This is why they need more than one lesson on GSK, which is delivered when they’re junior cadets and not taking much in.
Civilian Instructor…aren’t we all Civillians!?
CF’Adult’V…do we need to be identified as Adult?
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That’s always bothered me. I volunteered at a sqn whilst a serving reservist and was told I had to be a CI. Yes, reservists are civilians when not on duty, but on a sliding scale I was arguably the least civilian person there. Similarly we have CIs and ‘Civilian Committee’ members who are ex-regulars and, whilst technically now civilians, on that sliding scale they are less civilian than some in uniform.
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were Reservists not included as SIs at the time?
Apparently not. I had previously been a Service Helper, but on a different wing and several years earlier.
I have a feeling someone just didn’t want to do the work to have you put on as an SI
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From what I can recall from the last time I processed applications, it’s less work to bring an SI onboard than a CI.
Although the fact that we still make SIs do an AVIP is ridiculous.
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As an SI returning to the corps after more than 10 years away I found avip quite useful.
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I disagree, being Sergeant Rock of the SAS doesn’t make you a youth leader who knows how to work with children.
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I agree with all Staff, regardless of previous rank, history etc etc doing the AVIP as it sets the baseline of rules and policy especially safe guarding. But we are obsessed with the word ADULT. We are 20+ years old!
I’ve been handed a copy of that pre-AVIP book to give me an idea of what’s to come.
Man, that’s so dry. It’s actually incredibly annoying that I have to go looking for all the answers. I’m no more likely to retain that info, but it’ll save me some time…
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What I’m taking from this is we have different AVIPs.
Ours is literally the basic structures of the RAF, the rank structure and the basics of how an airfield works. Nothing really about how to be a youth leader; that comes from the on-squadron learning.
Actually, you are more likely to retain the info if you’ve had to put effort into finding it.
I’ll leave Memory: It's a Process as the first source I’ve come across that I largely agree with (that also has some references itself), but it’s fairly well accepted across instructional technique that “active” learning is more effective than either giving you something to read/copy/listen to.
Once you’re through AVIP, I’d suggest getting on an MoI course if you currently believe otherwise.
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Ours is nothing like that! Its all about standards, policy, expectations, risk assessments HSE, routes for staff and what the Corps has to offer.
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I’m guessing this was around 2008-2010?
There did use to be a minimum rank for SIs & if you had any interest in shooting then you needed to be a CI due to the minimum rank requirements stated in Pam21
We went through a phase of this & also using instructor / staff for cadets who had reached the MOI qual resulting in use of ranks of:-
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Instructor Cadet Flight Sergeant
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Instructor FS
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Staff FS
(& my favourite for the pure single service ignorance)
- Staff Sergeant (a Sgt who is a staff cadet)
It still irks me that PO or APO is being used for pilot officer when it’s reserved for petty officer.
We really should include to-service ranks in both AVIP & first class.
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Well that would certainly make a lot more sense for SIs than what we currently offer, and I’d understand people standing up for it if we offered the same.
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Sorry, you are correct that active learning means you’re more likely to understand and retain, but the things you have to look up here don’t, in my opinion, meet that threshold.
Looking up a couple of post holder names, aircraft locations, motto.
There’s so much bitty information that very quickly a sort of “finish this questionnaire quickly” tension sets in. At that point, you’re focussing on the end because the journey is unstimulating.
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Some sort of AVIP in CCF would have been great