clearly they’ve been buried deep in google
away from innocent eyes
clearly they’ve been buried deep in google
away from innocent eyes
Probably not worth anyone trying to sell them on eBay, etc. I bet they’re from the same Chinese suppliers as the shirts with shoulder straps that are too wide at the bottom for enlisted aviator rank slides.
MOD foresight at its finest. What shirts were affected because I swapped in my Shirt a few months ago and getting my tapes on became a pain
Probably because as a service instructor they know you’re not RAFAC so get confused?
The cadets often default to school mode where everyone is either Sir or Ma’am which is also used for CIs so cadets will get confused on that difference.
They often get confused on terms of address on rank as well particularly if your Sqn flights are not commanded by FS so it’s a common adult rank for them to mess up especially if young cadets.
Yeah, don’t get me started on the whole “Flight Sergeant” cadetism when it’s always “Flight” in the Service.
WHAT I’ve been getting rinsed for saying flight for 5 years now
I did once host a 5* who had a similar issue with the jumper - rank slides were too long for the epaulettes so the velcro kept coming undone. Apparently nobody tested them with MRAF…
What baffled me as a cadet was that everyone writes cadet ranks (and refers to them) without the use of “cadet” at the beginning, which is correct as a term of address, but incorrect when writing their rank, and yet when it comes to CWO, everyone would come out with nonsense like “cadet warrant” and “C-Wo” when verbally the term of address is identical to the other ranks (ie no “cadet”).
Therefore written and in the third person (or not in the third person, but at least be consistent):
Cadet Bloggs
Cadet Corporal Bloggs
Cadet Sergeant Bloggs
Cadet Flight Sergeant Bloggs
Cadet Warrant Officer Bloggs
But when addressing:
Cadet Bloggs
Corporal Bloggs
Sergeant Bloggs
Flight Sergeant Bloggs
Warrant Officer Bloggs
Please tell me you’ve all worked this one out by now…
It made sense at the time when WO was the only rank shared between staff and cadets. Especially as you could go directly from one to the other overnight, it meant you couldn’t always tell from the apparent age which someone was. 21 y/o CWO or 22 y/o AWO.
Using cadet in front of the rank was a good distinguisher.
Yeh totally.
Over the years, when I used to help out with fieldcraft etc from time to time, I noticed that it was still going on even though the staff SNCO ranks had changed in a big way. Has that been excised accordingly as time has gone by, or does it still go on?
Still goes on. Unless anything has changed recently, I think the only explicit explanation of a “Cadet” Warrant Officer being referred to as “Warrant Officer” was in ACP31.
TBH I usually address them as ‘Mr Bloggs’; this is particularly useful as the only CWO we ever have is the ‘Head of Corps’ i.e. senior cadet for the whole contingent, if they happen to be from the RAF section (as at present). A useful distinguisher and mark of respect.
I used Mr / Miss as well for our former CWOs, as it’s the appropriate form for ‘talking down’ to WOs (normally only used by officers, obviously).
Has always bugged me and is one of the things I’ve made sure to change on every Squadron I’ve been on.
It used to be really clearly written in ACP31 and people still argued against it.
If you call an actual FS ‘Flight Sergeant’, they’ll just hear ‘Sergeant’ and correct you. Same with staffies and colour sgts.
Recently had an edict about this from the WWO, I challenged and was told that’s the way it is, sometimes we have no policy but the RWOs/WWOs are adamant that’s how it is and they must therefore be “cadetted”.
I think it’s ego massaging for CFAV WOs
If that’s the rationale for CWO, then it should now equally apply to cdt sgt and CFS as well.
Few things more annoying than people who live by the regs making stuff up.
As YO says above, if that’s correct, the same should be used consistently for the other cadet NCO ranks, which I doubt is true.
*cdt FS
Edit, although you’re right, it’d be more consistent the way you wrote it!
It is, and that’s why I do.
Edit: Good point about the other cadet NCO ranks. I was just thinking of CFAV ranks, but you could have a JNCO SI and so still need to distinguish those ranks as well.