Why hasbt this letter been sent to sqn cdrs and why hasnt it been put on sharepoint.
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Youāve put it pretty strongly, but I do agree.
I also agree with the mission creep from wing.
Will squadrons have to justify itself for each transaction. What happens when wing disagree?
Itās just more responsibility being removed from squadron.
Soon there wonāt be a need for an OC at all!
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Who is going to do all the gift aid returns?
In order to do gift aid the charity has to submit returns on all those who have paid per month or quarter.
If the account is with wing. The wing āfund managerā is going to have to do this.
Thats 20 to 30 sqns per wing to do this forā¦
Is it just meā¦ or has a new job in each wing just been created. Sounds like 34 paid for (from the funds not as Civil servant) jobs up for grabs soon.
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Probably what they think will helpā¦
No more pesky OCsā¦
Ermā¦ ok. No more sqnsā¦
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This is an effective power grab by management.
All Squadrons to become a DF of WHQ.
The other point is people volunteering who have professional regulators to be accountable too, donāt realise the implications of membership of such committees.
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Thatās happened already in our wing?
Minibus, Musical instruments, and circa 18k were transferred into wing ownership when the sqn was closedā¦
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This just hasnt been thought through.
It really smacks of just trying to.solve the problem of no volunteers for civ coms. Rathee than anything else.
If the excempt issue in 2031 was an issueā¦ the solution would be to tell all civ coms to be charities by 2025.
This is utter bull poop.
The real solution should 3 steps.
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Hqac provides accounting software for all sqns to use and mandates its use. Thereby having access also.
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Hqac appoints x6 forensic accountants. 1 per region. Sole job. Prevent fraud.
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Hqac tells all sqns to become charities by end of 2025.
Simpleā¦done.
Any sqns who cant recruit civ com members to be given support to do so.
Jeez its really.not rocket science.
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Exactly what went through my mind. Though I can see Sectors surviving:
Oc sector - Sqn Ldr
Sector trg off - Flt lt
Sector SWO - WO
Sqns/ Detachments - 1 uniform, any rank, plus whatever CIs they can muster
What do you mean sounds like the ACF?
(They have a similar model for handling funds as is being proposed -
Iām not actually against this type of change FWIW)
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Sectors are already on the way out in our area due to lack of available & interested staff & lack of interest in Sqn COs supporting it .
The sector concept is flawed as itās an extra level of bureaucracy & just cause silo working & thinking.
Re the topic Itās when weāve got things going on that may appear trivial to wing (halloween party supplies, printer cartridges etc reward & recognition badges) that the Sqn wants to do. Itās all the local trivial expenses that will kill the system especially as each Sqn has slightly different processes that works for they Sqn & local demographics.
I also wonder, if a couple of Sqns muted withholding wing subs due to lack of support - that would cripple the organisation which this proposed reform would prevent.
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If it is Merseyside Wing, the buildings the Squadron occupied are still there unused at least six years later. So wing take all these into ownership, who pays for maintenance replacements etcā¦oh you can see whatās coming next, and itās squadronās fault there is no equipment if they donāt fund raise for us.
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If a Wing HQ has all this money, is a common subs payment around the corner, who determines hardship and support cases, some faceless Wing manager who knows nothing of the individuals concerned and who may not want details discussed outside the Squadron or with an anonymous third party.
Will support given to cadets who through no fault of their own or their families need assistance, be added to a matrix for closing a squadron as not being net income generators for the wing committee.
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Yep 100%
If the Sqn OC has the payment card and this is the only way to get money.
Does this mean the Sqn OC has to buy everything. From loo.rolls to laptops?
Will there be a receipt payable method.
Paid within 3 days as my unit does? Or will it be on a once a month basis and only if receipt in by 10th of the month or some other bull shine.
@corps chairman and @raflegal i hope you are at least taking notes of these issues and will provide a final solution that facilitates.
Anything less is a āretrograde stepā.
Or in HQAC language āa stepā.
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So the OC is out of pocket and what if the payment request is refuse by a faceless one.
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I donāt have to deal with Civ Comms so coming at this as a bit of an outsider. But other than speed of access to petty cash Iām struggling to see the negatives here. You still do your own fundraising, maintain access to your money as of now. But rather than having hundreds of different pots overseen by people of varying capability/trustworthiness youāre moving to one pot which can be overseen with a greater degree of accountability.
Seriously, the tin foil hats seem to be strong on this thread
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Sorry but this shows.
If i on sqn as oc want to buy a thing. Anything.
The process is.
- I ask civ com.
- I buy.
- i am reimbursed within 3 days.
With this new system.
Part 1 and 3 above is completly unclear at present.
Now. We may be given a mircale solution. In which case i will be over the moon.
But the ability of the rafac org to create or deploy any large scale solution has been proven to be āpoorā.
Any and i mean any added beauracracy to current system or any risk that sqn can no longer buy what it wants (anything uk legal that is) and whe it wants and reimburswd to that person within a very fast time scale. Is naffing useless.
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It looks like the new system is:
- You want something
- You buy it with the squadron accounts own debit card.
- Err, you donāt need to be reimbursed?
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