Proposed Changes to Civilian Committees

Came along to say something similar.

As for ownership, it just requires a log book. Lock it in the safe, witnessed sign out, witnessed sign in.

There’s a lot of complaining at perceived complications that don’t need to exist.

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The Sector Concept was discussed years ago as “Super Squadrons” with 4 or so flights all being part of 1 major unit spread out over a larger area (like the TA do to a large extent) and it didn’t happen, so then a few years later we got Sectors which are basically Super Squadron Lite.

It could work, but only if you fully remove the autonomy of the individual Squadrons, the Sector Commander would actually be in Command of the units with an integrated training programme, the CWC are merged etc

The current halfway house was never going to work and even the version that could work was to be implemented I feel it would need some proof that not only would it work but that it would be an improvement.

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Does it.
We have very very little detail.

Youre glass half full.

I am experienced rafac officer, sqn cdr, seen this corps go down the tubes. Zero faith in delivery of a complex financial programme such as this.

2 perspectives. Thats all.

Whats the card limit.
Can we have more than 1 card.
Can we use BACs.
Gift aid issue as i described above.
Payment of receipted goods.
How will we pay in cash?
Whats to stop sqns using a ‘black economy’ and not decalring cash raised at bag packs etx. Same issue now of course. Except with new system im actually now incentivised to do this to have some 'readies’on sqn.

Chnage of sqn cdr now causes even more issues, with this bank card. Signature chnages, pin changes etc etc.

Process for sorting disagreement if money goes missing from a sqn account.

Etc etc.

Chaaing of subs. Now a wing funds .manager issue? Not a local sqn treasurer issue.

What process is there to protect sqn cdrs who now will have direct access to monies.
Im ok. What about others? Has it been thought about the wide range of peoppe we have as sqn cdrs. Not everyone is a straight as a die.

They are many hundreds of issues all of which are not a problem now. But could easily become one.

This is without even considering wider chnages such as fixed rate subs dictated by corps etc.

Its not quite as black and white, easy as pie as many are making out.

Every sqn has a safe now does it?

I do.
But does every unit?

Easy to spout how easy this all will be.

:joy::rofl::joy::rofl::joy::rofl::joy::rofl:

Really.
Not here they aint.

If you open the original document in word and show the comments and then show insertions and deletions then it makes for a interesting read.

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I think that level of Sqn lobotomy would be litteraly terminal.

Can you post the doc here please.

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The letter was sent to sqn cdrs in my wing from oc wing

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You obviously are in a good wing.

If this work is going to Wing HQ, who is going to do? A volunteer Wing Treasurer or full time.

There’s a difference between a volunteer at squadron level looking after a single squadron, but multiply that workload between 25-30 times, squadrons per Wing, how can that be do by a volunteer :man_shrugging:t2:

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Some Wings really struggle to get decent committees as it is (people are much more willing to volunteer at local unit level).

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That’s usually as their kids are either currently, or have been, involved in the squadron and they know the staff and the good the squadron does.

Not entirely sure how one would even begin to get involved in wing and above civ com.

Retired wing staff, maybe?

Who are part of the collective and not dangerous free thinkers, that would never do!

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One thing I don’t understand is why the cost of using Xero is being placed squarely into the lap of Squadrons…if they’re centralising funds surely this cost could be a lump sum?

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Or more importantly, they want it they pay for it and not out of a levy on Squadron funds.

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I my old Wing it was mostly former Squadron Chairs.

Thats how i read it…

Basically nothing changes apart from love reporting at a higher level

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Our wing committee is made up of all sqn chairs.

Only the treasurer and secretary aren’t

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Until there is more detail, this is all speculation. It’s all very well and good having 1 prepaid card, but what if your new wing treasurer disagrees with what you want to spend money on?

What if you’ve raised funds for a large purchase, but now they decide they aren’t releasing the money?

We all know of wings with £70k in the bank and who are unwilling to buy things already for no good reason. Now times that with other people’s funds too.

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