Actually I’ll think you’ll find the advice comes from SAGE and the UK Surgeon General. Not just people who don’t know anything about the issue…
Apparently it’s NOT an effective means of securing environments.
They’re quite right to bring this up. The last thing we need is lots of untrained laypeople taking a temperature reading of everyone’s forehead and assuming that because it says 36.4 everything is okay and no further controls are needed.
False sense of security.
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Isn’t it a very basic principle of leadership that it’s best to explain why you aren’t to do something so people are more likely to comply?
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There’s a concept that has largely proved alien to this organisation.
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But like so many things over the last few months the experts and scientists have changed their minds and even then put caveats in place,. People by now bored with it all, just gom along for an easy life. What this will mean is thousands of these thermometers being consigned to shelves, never to see the light of day again. Well until they say it’s a good idea.
@Cadet04 I would proffer that military leadership for millennia has been a case of just do or don’t do what we’ve said, with no explanation. Explaining something requires understanding the whys and wherefores of whatever it is and therein lies the chasm.
Uh, they have. They’ve said it doesn’t work. What more do you want?
That is generally how evidence-based policy making works. Particularly when that evidence concerns a new virus.
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Out of interest… why when I went to pharmacy this morning did they check my forehead temp on entering.
Dont try and argue specialist training required… their thermometer had either a green or red light.
If temp screening is useless why is the NHS still doing it?
I don’t really care about temp screening on Sqns. Why would we want that… but care more about why HQAC have suddenly mandated a stop to it, contrary to evidence and ongoing practice else where.
Have you read the document? Because it literally explains that in it.
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Yes I have.
It might ‘explain’ it in their eyes.
But it deoesnt say why other organisations Govt and private are carrying on with it.
If it’s so ineffective. It should be banned. Not by poxy HQAC but by central Govt.
For anyone else, here’s one of the first search results on Google:
"There is little scientific evidence to support temperature screening as a reliable method for detection of COVID-19 or other febrile illness, especially if used as the main method of testing.
Temperature readings from temperature screening systems will measure skin temperature rather than core body temperature. In either case, natural fluctuations in temperature can occur among healthy individuals. These readings are therefore an unreliable measure for detection of COVID-19 or other diseases which may cause fever. Furthermore, infected people who do not develop a fever or who do not show any symptoms would not be detected by a temperature reading and could be more likely to unknowingly spread the virus.
The MHRA recommends that businesses and workplaces follow the government advice on safe working during COVID-19, as well as implementing scientifically reliable methods of testing for COVID-19."
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That STILL doesnt answer my actual question.
I am NOT questioning the science and I am really not interested and NOT questioning the decision by HQAC.
But I AM questioning WHY if it is ineffective is it used still by the NHS and other bodies both government and private…
Right, so you’re asking an air cadet forum why people we don’t know or have anything to do with are implementing ideas that we have some Government advice to say is ineffective because our own organisation has (for once) followed some sound evidence and been pretty clear in advance of time?
Have you considered maybe asking them instead? I’ve given you a good link there, you could take it to show your pharmacy?
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at present the last HSE guidance I’m aware of for work places etc is that temperatures should be taken.
I have been designated a covid compliance officer at work. Every morning I need to take the temperature of everyone here and ensure they comply with all anti Covid requirements… social distancing face visors masks etc.
The sad news is we have had word that 30+ of our colleagues in Ireland have been caught up in a large outbreak on a building site where about 90people + may of taken ill over 50 have been confirmed. By all accounts all precautions were being undertaken Including temperature checks but it still happened.
We can argue the point of taking temperatures or not but it’s still getting through. We just need to try and work smarter than the virus if you want units to reopen… and that’s the sad reality until a vaccine is sorted.
Actually, that’s not a bad shout.
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Oh, I stand corrected. I assumed the “Link to document” was a link to the sharepoint announcement, didn’t realise they’d attached a document. Good comms then!
Version 3 of the the Return To Sqn guide has been released and is once again adopting the delayed filter release pattern, but is available here on DNW SharePoint
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This seriously needs to be added to the key documents section as currently there’s no version control on varying versions that wings have self uploaded. I wasn’t even aware there was a version 2 let alone 3. If any HQAC bods are watching this, please do this? Then I can set up notifications for updates too.
Quick edit: just seen the announcement from 10 minuets ago saying there is a version 3, but it’s not attached to the announcement…
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Dripping taps and lights left on are risks associated with returning F2F activities…Some one please have a word!!!
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The evidence is coming from disparate sources and comparing apples with lumps of coal. No two countries or even parts of countries are the same. So it impossible to say that because this is what happened there, we can apply that here.
All it has done is create a world of confusion due to insufficient data and we will be effectively locked into restrictive economy crippling measures for a lot longer than anyone will have thought. I thought middle of 2021, but as time goes on 2022 seems ever more likely before we get out of this and even then there won’t be a fully tested clinically proven vaccine for this variety of coronavirus. Which seems to be a recurring theme when it comes to people “feeling safe”.
I never understood how a temperature of x would say specifically you have this, without looking for other symptoms and subsequent diagnosis. But it seems for a limited time it was.