Environmental risks…
A tap that drips 1ml a minute wastes over 500 litres of water a year.
Me spilling something that is not biodegradable is an “environmental risk” , should that be in the document also?
Depends how likely it is. If you deem it to be likely enough to include on an RA then you are free to do so. It is a generic RA.
My wife was screened for temperature this morning when visiting a hospital this morning. I would have hoped that health professionals had the correct approach…
Our WC told us this was because HQAC were working on two versions at once so they released the V3.
Why keep on releasing versions of something that as yet isn’t going to be being used?
Keep it to themselves until it’s needed or is this like a “govt leak” about something they are thinking of doing to see what the reaction is? If it is I think it should be completely ignored to stop feeding their incompetence.
Well, I’d reckon that medical staff looking for elevated temperature - an indicator of infection - as one aspect of a wider check for symptoms is probably somewhat different to Fg Off Jo Bloggs, an accountant in his day job, using his infrared thermometer to make a COVID/no-COVID - NOT SAFE/SAFE decision on people who walk through the Sqn door.
An elevated temperature merely indicates that something is going on with that person. But, crucially, a normal temperature does not mean that someone is infection free.
We cannot have non-medical people assessing that someone is “safe” just because they’ve checked and don’t think they’ve got a temperature.
Army have authorise overseas units to return in Jersey, Cyprus and Isle of Man. Rest of CCF/ACF is waiting.
I would assume the original release was to enable feedback that can then potentially be incorporated into future revisions of the document.
Personally I would much prefer that we at least get an opportunity to see how a return might happen and the steps which will need to be taken. The proactive among us have already started getting various staff quals updated/refreshed so that we can focus on the rest of the requirements once we get the green light to enter the squadron again.
If I remember rightly there were complaints further up in this thread about the fact HQAC hadn’t yet released any guidance. The document was never going to be perfect first time and I assume will change countless times yet as we adapt to the changing situations.
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Quite probably - but regardless of the cause (Covid19, 'flu, whatever), an elevated temperature would seem to be a reasonable indication that little Johnny or Josephine is potentially medically “abnormal” & shouldn’t be attending cadets that evening.
Yeah, possibly so.
Though that temperature could be as a result of an ear infection, gum inflammation, common cold…
Would we say “Sorry Little Johnny, you can’t come to ATC until you’ve been to the dentist to have that tooth looked at”? Probably not.
But really, the concern is more that some untrained person might take a “normal” reading as evidence that nothing is wrong when in fact Little Jane could be infected, asymptomatic - thus no temperature, and contagious.
I agree. Feedback from those who need to put it in place, but also…
The likelihood is that anything we have to do isn’t going to be much more arduous than V1, so getting sight of that allows forward planning and consideration of how to implement even before CFAV have stepped a foot back inside.
I think we all know who and how many would be complaining of Sept 1st came around a 35 page diktat landed from on high.
Doesn’t matter with respect to anything we could do then.
£30 Covid19 PCR antigen tests to be issued & used on all cadets / CFAVs every parade night. 
Would a “click needle” device be classed as a firearm by HQRAFAC? RAMs & RAs to come! 
Nah. Releasing different versions when there is no need is playing games and atypical of HQAC’s under-employed.
Given this is a moveable feast there is no point at all in releasing things where it can be OOD before the ink is dry and especially as we’re not due to do anything for at least a month.
A cursory look at the 1st version would indicate as ever someone with the ATC hierarchy is trying to make things much more complicated, than it should ever be. For any of us at work we have been doing the same / similar things but with only a few pages (nothing like this), since March.
I just hope they have sufficient supplies of whatever they are going to supply us with.
Well, other than that we ensure we maintain the proper precautions.
The risk is that a normal temperature reading could lead someone to think it’s all safe and to relax on precautions, which in the case of an asymptomatic carrier could give coronavirus to everyone.
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Ok…
So asked the actual pharmacist what the deal was.
Almost unbelievably he basically said that they have been asked to continue temperature screening with one message from the NHS and in a separate message told that it is not worth its salt.
They are continuing now, mainly as it covers both scenarios. Where as stopping wouldnt.
We had a good chat about the message we had been sent and he concurred that there should be one central Govt message to cease all temp screening, for the purposes of covid detection.
So there you have it.
Not that this makes any difference, but shows how even the NHS has confused the message entirely.
Needless to say, we weren’t going to temp screen cadets anyway, but it would seem that HQAC have issued the correct info based on science. Despite Govt contradictions…
Suppose it was 50/50 anyway! 
When it comes to being asymptomatic this applies to more than the current CV mutation and includes other illnesses. So TBH not having to spend money on a gizmo and mess around taking temperatures is a god send
Over the years I either don’t get something or have a very light case of whatever, while others are dropping around me. Drives my family nuts.
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Very disappointing to see the SCC returning to boating whilst we still have nothing at all until October at the earliest.
I understand the caution but surely October will be more risky than now as you’re starting to head into flu season then.
Well that’s Manchester and (some) West Yorkshire units buggered.