You may be right, we were told very little about it, we weren’t given any instructions on what to do with our desert kit, mine was sat in my locker till the day I left. I assumed Desert DPM had been scrapped because no-one got it as issue on deployment last time, whereas previous sqns recieved a mixture of MTP/DDPM.
[quote=“rockape3” post=4300]
Talon, the lightweight PCS shirts still have the pointless velcro pockets on the lower sleeve unless thats a relatively new development.[/quote]
It was late last year it was announced I think. They haven’t actually produced any yet, it will probably be some months until we see any.
[quote=“merlin456” post=4198]The ‘Navy PCS’ you all refer to is/was being triled by the Royal Navy
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2012/March/19/120319-Daring-Uniform[/quote]
that be the stuff, but look at the date nearly a year and heard not alot since
[quote=“talon” post=4304][quote=“rockape3” post=4300]
Talon, the lightweight PCS shirts still have the pointless velcro pockets on the lower sleeve unless thats a relatively new development.[/quote]
It was late last year it was announced I think. They haven’t actually produced any yet, it will probably be some months until we see any.[/quote]
still waiting but most people cant believe we are wasting more money (that we dont seem to have) on designing a new shirt to keep a few dinosaurs happy! especially as the old 95 patt shirt would be ideal and practical and already in the system (to a certain extent)
For example the army gets 3x sets of PCS trs/lightweight jacket so why not issue 2x (for field use) and have the 3rd set as normal PCS trousers and the 95 style shirt for ‘barracks’ use
I notice that all personnel serving in the MPGS appear now appear to have been issued with MTP.
Sometimes I think I’ve seen it all, then I realise I haven’t. Last month, an MPGS soldier, at the gate, wearing MTP, and… submariner’s dolphins. Seriously. Bright anodised ones.
So as well as the ACF and the CCF wearing MTP, will the RMC of the Sea Cadets also be changing to MTP? Leaving us as the only uniformed body in the universe still wearing woodland DMP?(apart from the Dutch).
Oh well…bring it on, I say
wilf_san
Apparently, the dolphins are now cleared for wear by qualified RAF personnel.
That doesn’t surprise me, I’ve seen dolphins worn on blues maybe back as early as 1983 (by someone entitled but unauthorised), what surprised me was the wearing of blatant bling on greens (well, on Most Tiresome Pattern combats). Looked very US or even FSU, metal badging on combats. Please don’t tell me that Army dress-regs actually permit that officially? Good luck to him, by the way, not an issue.
On a related note…do British Army personnel (of every stripe’n’type) now have official nods to be allowed to wear medals on combats?? Because they all certainly do it…
wilf_san
TA have got permission to wear medals on combats but only for Rememberance Sunday as they are yet to be issued No2 Dress. It is reviewed every year until
[quote=“wilf_san” post=4312]On a related note…do British Army personnel (of every stripe’n’type) now have official nods to be allowed to wear medals on combats?? Because they all certainly do it…
wilf_san[/quote]
Whaaaaaaaaaaat? How dare they (he says as he levels up his rack pinned to his jumper…)
They do ;).
[quote=“wilf_san” post=4310]
So as well as the ACF and the CCF wearing MTP, will the RMC of the Sea Cadets also be changing to MTP? Leaving us as the only uniformed body in the universe still wearing woodland DMP?(apart from the Dutch).
Oh well…bring it on, I say
wilf_san[/quote]
Since the RMC are scaled for combat uniform I imagine they will get it eventually, but obviously they are subject to the Navy MTP PCS fielding plan.
[quote=“wdimagineer2b” post=4301]The intention was originally to retain DCC for use if we should end up in primarily sandy places again, where it was better suited than MTP; with MTP becoming the standard pattern for everywhere else.
Has that idea been dumped?[/quote]
I think that’s the idea. No one has been informed of the idea though! Typical! I disposed of most of mine when I picked up my MTP/PCS stuff a couple of months ago once it was released to all personnel as opposed to those with imminent deployment (and that should be a clue as to how long it will be until it hits the ATC).
Do most cadets still have to purchase their own green kit, or do sqns have access to stores? If they do, I think the longer you stick to CS95 and its elder cousins, the better.
I know my local sqn has it’s own little stock of buckshee CS95s that they issue to cadets. I am being nice and donating my detachment’s spare kit to them as we don’t exactly need it any more!
Do you happen to know where this is laid down? would help in my quest to be able to wear mine.
Do you happen to know where this is laid down? would help in my quest to be able to wear mine.[/quote]
I’ll try to catch someone that I know wears the dolphins to find out - no guarantees!
Do you happen to know where this is laid down? would help in my quest to be able to wear mine.[/quote]
I’ll try to catch someone that I know wears the dolphins to find out - no guarantees![/quote]
Surely if it’s not in AP1358, it’s not going to be anywhere else? I definitely saw dolphins worn on RAF No1 and No2 dress jackets even 25 years ago (though extremely rarely, and never on a regular- though that may have been a coincidence)…whether they were officially-authorised or not is a seperate issue.
wilf_san
ps I may be wrong in thinking that 1358 covers everything on badges…I’m now trying to remember the number of a another AP that listed QRs about badges in great detail (eg para qual badge criteria, All Arms Cdo etc)
QR 434-436.
I’m fairly certain I remember reading that the MoD has indeed done exactly that. Whether they actually did in the end, I don’t know.[/quote]
To continue my camouflage geekery…if you look at proper tropical DPM uniform, it’s actually a hell of a lot lighter than the usual DPM, much closer in shade to (drum roll, please) MTP, in fact.
The logic was that when you’re in the jungle you spend all your time soaking wet from rain, sweat, river crossings, etc and so your clothes end up looking darker…
Saying that, somebody told me that the Jungle School out in Brunei are still wearing DPM in the trees…
I know the feeling of the initial ‘DPM looks so much better’ reaction, though. After a while it reverses itself; I can’t look at DPM now without thinking how old fashioned and Cold War it looks… :lol:[/quote]
Mwahahahahahaha! Thread resurrection!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-welsh-cavalry-swap-scimitars-for-jungle-boots
Check out the above link for some photos of MTP in the jungle. The photo of the GPMG in an ambush demonstrates what I was saying about wet clothes - at first glance the trooper manning it looks like he’s wearing DPM, the soaking makes his shirt/jacket as dark as his webbing. CS95 would just look black.
It’s worth noting that the bit of jungle they’re in has plenty of brown in it as well as green, too. There’s plenty of different types of jungle, depending on location, time of year etc: MTP is more likely to help you blend in across a wider range of them.
The other things people seem to forget is that 1)camouflage clothes are only an aid to camouflage and concealment, not an invisibility cloak. Personal fieldcraft skills are arguably more important (although MTP will give you an edge over someone without it ideally). And 2) camouflage patterns aren’t just about making you look like the background, but about breaking up your shape and confusing the eye. Think about zebras and tabby cats.
(Yes, I am a geek)
[quote=“wilf_san” post=4170]
It’s completely impractical for the ACO not to wear some form of approved ground training undress field uniform. The logical approach would be (in the absence of MTP scaling from the RAF) to simply continue wearing CS95 surplus for decades to come. The ACO should commandeer every single serviceable item of unissued/PWS CS95, and keep it in a national stockade.[/quote]
Small update: Due to the redesign of the PCS LW jacket, cadets now have to wait longer as no more of the old design are being purchased. The current estimate is August/September. This means that the surplus CS95 stocks now have to last until then, so there will be far less left over in the system!
Is this aimed at the ACF Talon? Can’t see it effecting the ATC as we can’t wear it yet anyway.
Really? I can! We used to regularly get bags of gash CS95 deemed for “cadet support” through the RAF supply system. We get it far less than we used to. The above comment suggests that we’re going to get even fewer in the future.