Mtp

[merlin456]

I suppose, mid afternoon lull. It would seem any RAF support seems to be going to rat poo!

[Leeroy]

Really? I can! We used to regularly get bags of gash CS95 deemed for “cadet support” through the RAF supply system. We get it far less than we used to. The above comment suggests that we’re going to get even fewer in the future.

We’ve got blue uniform though! We’re ok!

[Batfink]

True.

[Gunner]

[quote=“tango_lima” post=4225][quote=“Stand Out” post=4221][quote=“MattB” post=4219]From what I’ve seen, DPM is better in woodland, MTP is better everywhere else. If I had to pick one uniform for going anywhere (in the UK) it’d be MTP, but DPM is perfectly fine for hiding as it is. I do find it interesting that the MOD hasn’t (AFAIK) kept a stock of DPM aside in case we ever need to fight a war in the jungle.

I’m fairly certain I remember reading that the MoD has indeed done exactly that. Whether they actually did in the end, I don’t know.[/quote]

To continue my camouflage geekery…if you look at proper tropical DPM uniform, it’s actually a hell of a lot lighter than the usual DPM, much closer in shade to (drum roll, please) MTP, in fact.

The logic was that when you’re in the jungle you spend all your time soaking wet from rain, sweat, river crossings, etc and so your clothes end up looking darker…

Saying that, somebody told me that the Jungle School out in Brunei are still wearing DPM in the trees…

I know the feeling of the initial ‘DPM looks so much better’ reaction, though. After a while it reverses itself; I can’t look at DPM now without thinking how old fashioned and Cold War it looks… :lol:[/quote]

Mwahahahahahaha! Thread resurrection!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-welsh-cavalry-swap-scimitars-for-jungle-boots

Check out the above link for some photos of MTP in the jungle. The photo of the GPMG in an ambush demonstrates what I was saying about wet clothes - at first glance the trooper manning it looks like he’s wearing DPM, the soaking makes his shirt/jacket as dark as his webbing. CS95 would just look black.

It’s worth noting that the bit of jungle they’re in has plenty of brown in it as well as green, too. There’s plenty of different types of jungle, depending on location, time of year etc: MTP is more likely to help you blend in across a wider range of them.

The other things people seem to forget is that 1)camouflage clothes are only an aid to camouflage and concealment, not an invisibility cloak. Personal fieldcraft skills are arguably more important (although MTP will give you an edge over someone without it ideally). And 2) camouflage patterns aren’t just about making you look like the background, but about breaking up your shape and confusing the eye. Think about zebras and tabby cats.

(Yes, I am a geek)[/quote]

Here’s a link to the school of camoflauge geekery:

[wdimagineer2b]

Nicely done.

Though, the airsofter “lifezize Chewbacca” ghillie suits sure are ammusing though…

[chaz]

[quote]
Small update: Due to the redesign of the PCS LW jacket, cadets now have to wait longer as no more of the old design are being purchased. The current estimate is August/September. This means that the surplus CS95 stocks now have to last until then, so there will be far less left over in the system![/quote]

From what I hear (having queried last week), CS95 stocks in the MoD supply (in all but one size) are quite considerable. On the same token, there are still a considerable number of regular personnel (and, I suspect, reservists too) who are yet to receive their initial issue of MTP.

[talon]

[quote=“chaz” post=5160]
From what I hear (having queried last week), CS95 stocks in the MoD supply (in all but one size) are quite considerable. On the same token, there are still a considerable number of regular personnel (and, I suspect, reservists too) who are yet to receive their initial issue of MTP.[/quote]

Indeed, but a lot of people will be demanding that stock!

[MattB]

Also, remember that we have very different size needs to the rest of the MoD. A bundle of kit in ‘soldier size’ is probably only about 40% useful for a cadet force.

[Baldrick]

[quote=“chaz” post=5160][quote]
Small update: Due to the redesign of the PCS LW jacket, cadets now have to wait longer as no more of the old design are being purchased. The current estimate is August/September. This means that the surplus CS95 stocks now have to last until then, so there will be far less left over in the system![/quote]

From what I hear (having queried last week), CS95 stocks in the MoD supply (in all but one size) are quite considerable. On the same token, there are still a considerable number of regular personnel (and, I suspect, reservists too) who are yet to receive their initial issue of MTP.[/quote]

Opposite from what I heard. I heard that Sgt Badger up at HQAC was struggling to put enough together o kit out just JL15

[Leeroy]

Opposite from what I heard. I heard that Sgt Badger up at HQAC was struggling to put enough together o kit out just JL15

I’ve heard this and that JL15 may be issued MTP.

[wdimagineer2b]

I heard that Sgt Badger doesn’t really know what’s in his store…and that paperwork and manuals from the 1940’s have been recently found in there. Apparently the police are currently investigating as it’s also believed that Lord Lucan may be hiding under a pile of battledress and '37 pattern webbing.

[Baldrick]

[quote=“Baldrick” post=5167]Opposite from what I heard. I heard that Sgt Badger up at HQAC was struggling to put enough together o kit out just JL15

I’ve heard this and that JL15 may be issued MTP.[/quote]

Most likely for JL16, they’d only be able to wear it on course, not at unit. The DS who are on squadrons and not permanent staff may not get it, as they’re not scaled.

Personally I see this whole thing as an opportunity. Soon we’ll be the only people who wear DPM, so EVERYONE will be wearing Arctic, SAS and Para smocks :evil:

[chaz]

[quote=“talon” post=5165][quote=“chaz” post=5160]
From what I hear (having queried last week), CS95 stocks in the MoD supply (in all but one size) are quite considerable. On the same token, there are still a considerable number of regular personnel (and, I suspect, reservists too) who are yet to receive their initial issue of MTP.[/quote]

Indeed, but a lot of people will be demanding that stock![/quote]

Yeah, I know. I don’t want CS95 - I’m trying to get my lot (not Cadets!) MTP!

[duty_pongo]

JL’s in MTP? hope they are ordering XXXXXXXXXXX Large helmets and covers!!! Bet they are gonna be getting MK7 Helmets and osprey next too!

[wilf_san]

HRH Prince Michael of Kent, Cdre-in-Chf Maritime Reserves, reviews RMR Marines in Norway…in MTP

Royal Marines Reserve commandos test their mettle with warfare training at -22C in the Arctic Circle | Daily Mail Online

TA Private Nicola Harding, a non-Marine from Plymouth, with the RMR in Norway…wearing MTP

So is there no paler/MAWC version of MTP?? Because the RMR seem to just wear white coveralls when they’re in Snow Patrol mode…

wilf_san

ps safety fail for Nicola’s pullout rope…in my book, it needs to be under both arms
pps no marks for recognising the BV206s if you’ve ever done AEG at 662…
ppps Glenfiddoch…seriously??

[duty_pongo]

the british military have been issueing whites for artic warfare for decades. Surprisingly DPM wasnt that brilliant on snow either! so your point wilf?

[wilf_san]

I just wondered if there might have been a snow/splinter version of MTP (yes, I know, ‘multi’, but…)

I’ve always thought the arctic whites are only effective against deep/clean snow…some splinter camoflague would be better…like the ‘dazzle ships’ scheme

wilf_san

ps

[duty_pongo]

the whites did use to have a revesable white with a white/green cam pattern. dont know how often it was issued/used but was designed for use in winter woodland

[wilf_san]

I think I’d heard of that ages ago, but I’ve never seen them (even in pictures).

Here’s a close-up of the much-better MTP ECW cap. NSN 8415-99-423-1778 to 423-1780, S/M/L.

wilf_san

ps if anyone’s interested, here’s a [color=#0000ff]link[/color] to the official tri-service ‘Black Bag’ total MTP personal issue handbook, in the form of an ops pre-deployment kit-list.

[bomberman]

So as well as the ACF and the CCF wearing MTP, will the RMC of the Sea Cadets also be changing to MTP? Leaving us as the only uniformed body in the universe still wearing woodland DMP?(apart from the Dutch).

Yes we will. Scheduled for later this year according to Coy Cdrs conference minutes. This may slip due to ACF issue issues.

However Lympstone follow the guidelines of the admiralty, not CGS, and so the RM tuck PCS shirts in, and roll up sleeves in order to not look like a shower of…poop. There’s fuel for another long, petty and ultimately pointless discussion. I’ll leave it with you…