I hope I didn’t infer that I was being forced to read it. I actually think it’s interesting seeing peoples’ views on things, even if they are repetitive.
I’m all for debate and discussion of things, but 507 posts is dragging it out a bit. After all, what can we change? Nothing. We kept bleating on for MTP and now we’ve got what we asked for. Just accept everything that comes with it! OK, the RAF are tardy in formally defying regs for everyone, but they will eventually, and there’s been a Dress Committee statement on how MTP PCS should be worn in the interim; it’s not our place to assume what those final regs will be or make up our own in the interim in contradiction to the committee’s statement.
I hope I didn’t infer that I was being forced to read it. I actually think it’s interesting seeing peoples’ views on things, even if they are repetitive.
I’m all for debate and discussion of things, but 507 posts is dragging it out a bit. After all, what can we change? Nothing. We kept bleating on for MTP and now we’ve got what we asked for. Just accept everything that comes with it! OK, the RAF are tardy in formally defying regs for everyone, but they will eventually, and there’s been a Dress Committee statement on how MTP PCS should be worn in the interim; it’s not our place to assume what those final regs will be or make up our own in the interim in contradiction to the committee’s statement.[/quote]
Ultimately, despite my personal support for CS95, I completely agree with Cygnus Maximus. At the end of the day it is interesting to see people’s POV on all matters. However, 500-odd posts is right. Too many. Please let it go guys. One of the moderators chastised me for suggesting it ends because it’s a subject that has stayed on topic so long. Yeah, it has! BIG TIME! Jeez, there was less debate over pulling out of Iraq!
I hope I didn’t infer that I was being forced to read it. I actually think it’s interesting seeing peoples’ views on things, even if they are repetitive.
I’m all for debate and discussion of things, but 507 posts is dragging it out a bit. After all, what can we change? Nothing. We kept bleating on for MTP and now we’ve got what we asked for. Just accept everything that comes with it! OK, the RAF are tardy in formally defying regs for everyone, but they will eventually, and there’s been a Dress Committee statement on how MTP PCS should be worn in the interim; it’s not our place to assume what those final regs will be or make up our own in the interim in contradiction to the committee’s statement.[/quote]
Ultimately, despite my personal support for CS95, I completely agree with Cygnus Maximus. At the end of the day it is interesting to see people’s POV on all matters. However, 500-odd posts is right. Too many. Please let it go guys. One of the moderators chastised me for suggesting it ends because it’s a subject that has stayed on topic so long. Yeah, it has! BIG TIME! Jeez, there was less debate over pulling out of Iraq![/quote]
Every time I’ve felt compelled to post on this thread has been to discuss something different within the same general topic. This thread has actually managed to stay on topic and largely cover new ground.
And like I said before, nobody is going to make you sit and read all those 500 posts. Your posts come across as “I’m bored of this! Nobody should be allowed to talk about it any more!” Which if shouted out in the middle of a conversation out in the real, non-virtual world, would make you look like an anti-social weirdo.
I think the must have been preparing for a while for so many to have it, could even me that the unit purchased it and issued to the cadets.
2 non SATT staff were in it on the Range yesterday, I’m only bitter because I can’t afford to go and buy a set without a good reason of my current kit by US.
I agree with the Racing Stick on this and call me a weirdo too if you want, but come on, enough is enough! And now we’ve got what we wanted (Royal we) how much of a weirdo is someone who wants to continually discuss Velcro badge positions and boots! Get a life!! We’ve been told the details of how to wear the stuff!
Wing, Region and HQAC staff look at this site and there are far more important things that as a collective we should be discussing in the knowledge that someone MAY actually take notice of what we’re saying and do something productive about it. Like his thread
Slight issue, well not really an issue but its bugging me slightly. We have been told to tuck in and roll the sleeves down, fair enough. This however is not what is written in the Latest version of AP1358 which states the LW Jacket is to be worn external from the trousers.
[quote=“mabbz” post=11843]Slight issue, well not really an issue but its bugging me slightly. We have been told to tuck in and roll the sleeves down, fair enough. This however is not what is written in the Latest version of AP1358 which states the LW Jacket is to be worn external from the trousers.
Why the difference?[/quote]
But only in hot weather with OCs discretion. Otherwise you wear it tucked in.
It was superceded by 2012DIN01-159 which stated that the RAF (and now us by associtation) will wear it tucked in. Sleeves may be rolled up by individual choice. Local commanders retain the authority to authorize it to be worn out (or even removed for work of limited duration).
Here is the text from an email sent around by my WWO which should answer a few questions.
[quote]To follow on from yesterdays policy release on MTP, CACWO has contacted ATF for clarification. Please see the following points;
AP1358C is being updated as we speak and is due for release within the next 10 working days.
If your MTP has a union flag sewn on the left shoulder it can stay. If it does not there is no requirement to sew one on.
Your current TRF (ATC & VRT) is to be sewn on the right arm patch in a similar position to that of CS95 if possible.
Shirt is to be worn tucked in with a belt (Green webbing belt or Stable belt, dependant on working environment)
Units can have mixed CS95 and MTP during the transition but an individual cannot unless it is Gortex Jkt & Trs of which there is a very short supply in the UK
You have the authority to wear MTP but not demand it from stores unless you are in a SATT. JLs have their own stock. You can wear ex military surplus or civilian manufactured MTP but beware of quality issues and design if purchasing your MTP as some is reported to be of poor quality.[/quote]
On the “lock it” issue: while we may have discussed the matter for many many pages already this is a developing situation and various clarifications have already been issued for the legitimate questions that have been raised.
With the issue of the next amendment to 1358C due within the coming days I expect there will be further matters arising.
The announcement letter was very clear in what it said but I doubt any of us are surprised that some squadrons prefer to ignore some of its instructions. That is hardly limited to No3 dress though
[quote=“Racing Stick” post=11805]But, on other threads on the ACC there have been many comments about uniformity. Now I don’t want to be cynical, but if we bleat about uniformity in one and then are happy to have cadets in different types of “Greens” in another it does seem to suggest a little bit of “two standards”.[/quote]Some people worry about uniformity, some don’t.
I tend towards allowing my cadets maximum flexibility within the rules. So on a ‘blues night’ I am perfectly happy if one cadet has his sleeves rolled up, two have their sleeves rolled down (one with stable belt - either pattern) and No 4 has a jumper on. And if they’re female, some can be in trousers and some in slacks. I think it’s far more important that whatever mode of uniform they decide is best, they wear it correctly.
But even leaving aside the fact that I couldn’t care less, it’s unavoidable anyway. Sooner or later, CS95 will run out - whether it’s next year or next decade. We will need to switch to MTP and we won’t get issued it. So unless we’re going to demand that all our cadets go out one week and buy it, or ban people from wearing it until the last cadet has bought it (in which case why would the first people bother spending money if they’re not going to get to wear it?) then there will be a period of mixed dress.
Doing it now just means that it should be a mix of serviceable DPM and MTP, rather than threadbare DPM and serviceable MTP.
