I quite agree with you there!
It would be a terrible waste to find units throwing out perfectly servicable and in some cases brand new, uniform just because it’s not MTP.
That said though, over the years we’ve ended up binning (via parent station of course) stacks of ‘obsolete’ uniform.
[quote=“Racing Stick” post=11807]Yeah, I see your point.
I’m just trying to “do my bit” in the money saving operation.
I just feel the fact that CS95 is on a lot, not all, of Sqn’s shelves then it seems a terrible waste to not use it.
At my old Sqn I even used to try and get hold of U/S CS95 and shred it so I could demonstrate to cadets how a Ghillie Suit under jacket could be made. We never wasted any of it!![/quote]
…but nobody is suggesting that…
HQAC is just acknowledging the fact that HM Forces now wear MTP and you can buy MTP on the open market, so if cadets and staff can get hold of it and want to wear it then they’re allowed.
In fact they seem to make it pretty clear that they won’t be doing anything to actively provide any MTP to anyone vice SATT and JL.
On another note, Air Force still want’s jackets/shirts tucked in. It’s the Army who are playing okey-cokey.
In case anyone is interested… Officers MTP rank slides (not subdued!) available here! (Just add VR(T) distinguishing badges 
)
http://www.windsormedals.com/category_s/95.htm?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=95&show=100&page=1
One assumes that the “blue rank slides only” for NCOs & WOs (Cadets & Staff will remain extant.
Cheers
BTI
I know I’ve said it before, but I love the white mans problems evidenced on this forum. It cheers me up no end. Thanks dudes! 
[quote=“Jonay1990” post=11793]
Might as well just buy it. £100 for G1 smock, LW jacket and troos give or take.[/quote]
Would you also like to buy some magic beans?
[quote=“talon” post=11812][quote=“Jonay1990” post=11793]
Might as well just buy it. £100 for G1 smock, LW jacket and troos give or take.[/quote]
Would you also like to buy some magic beans?[/quote]
actually he has a point, £88.80 for a smock, pants and shirt.
Out of interest, anyone know which boots are the new issue version, assuming DMS assault boots are no longer used?
they are the Hiax one’s apparently but i may be wrong
http://soldiersystems.net/2012/07/25/british-military-officially-adopts-brown-boots/
From what I remember of the funky MoD poster…
YDS Kestral and ‘Altberg’ Warriors (made by YDS). The first being ‘combat, patrol’ and the latter being ‘combat, high liability’.
There’s also then an assortment of cold wet weather, desert and hot weather boots. I think the HAIX boots (actually made by HAIX and also, surprise, YDS) are available as CWW and desert types.
In practice: 1) everyone I’ve seen get issued brown boots seems to have got the Kestrals, 2) most people seem to think the kestrals look nice and comfortable but are less than sold on them for the field and 3) there’s nothing wrong with black CABs, I’m still wearing them.
My squadron doesn’t issue Combat uniform, cadets must attempt to get it themselves when they’re in C’alls and once all the cadets in that intake have there 95 kit they return their baby grows, and according to Cadet Sergeant at my squadron, MTP is optional, so half the squadron could end up in MTP/PCS and the other in Woodland/CS95, which would look appalling, has anyone else heard this?
Yep, that’s the facts of live. It won’t look appalling, but just a bit odd. Better than nothing and just be grateful someone has thought about this before we are ALL in coveralls.
the same could be said for the Stable belt.
Some choosing to wear it “because they can” or "just to stand out"
As an optional item it is up to the wearer’s discretion to include it or not and no CO prerogative. the regs clearly state this and any “COs discretion” on this matter, such as “only the NCOs can wear one” is invalid, false and in direct contradiction to the book
our Sqn has a complete mix of those with and those without a Stable belt thus creating no “uniformity” however it is in line with the book so doesn’t bother me.
PCS is no different as I see it. its an “optional” item worn in place of CS95, where no Sqn level ruling should or can be adopted.
and can be worn in the same optional state as a stable belt on the provision that is optional knowing that it is not issued
How long is this going to go on?
At the end of the day you can and people will… yes the ACO is a uniformed organisation, so is the Military, I didn’t see the MOD having any issues or any CO discretion.
If they have it let them wear it, there will never be a clean break from one to the other. Its not going to happen! If the MOD cant manage it, what makes any volunteer think the ACO can hope to?
[quote=“flago” post=11821]How long is this going to go on?
At the end of the day you can and people will… yes the ACO is a uniformed organisation, so is the Military, I didn’t see the MOD having any issues or any CO discretion.
If they have it let them wear it, there will never be a clean break from one to the other. Its not going to happen! If the MOD cant manage it, what makes any volunteer think the ACO can hope to?[/quote]
playing the devils advocate here but, the MOD couldnt do a clean break for one simple reason, lives were at stake (in a manner of speaking) when a solideirs lfe depends on a piece of kit you dont hold it back for the case of uniformity. if we hadnt have been in afghan who know’s.
and the ACO could very easily do a clean change. it would just require the ACO to have a stock of the MTP then when every sqn has it you say right from such and such a date everyone will no longer wear cs95 and wear MTP
[quote=“kahlenda” post=11823][quote=“flago” post=11821]How long is this going to go on?
At the end of the day you can and people will… yes the ACO is a uniformed organisation, so is the Military, I didn’t see the MOD having any issues or any CO discretion.
If they have it let them wear it, there will never be a clean break from one to the other. Its not going to happen! If the MOD cant manage it, what makes any volunteer think the ACO can hope to?[/quote]
playing the devils advocate here but, the MOD couldnt do a clean break for one simple reason, lives were at stake (in a manner of speaking) when a solideirs lfe depends on a piece of kit you dont hold it back for the case of uniformity. if we hadnt have been in afghan who know’s.
and the ACO could very easily do a clean change. it would just require the ACO to have a stock of the MTP then when every sqn has it you say right from such and such a date everyone will no longer wear cs95 and wear MTP[/quote]
I doubt that we would have changed to MTP type had we not seen such a protracted period of desert/sandy environment warfare. My unit (by that I mean where I work) is only just getting to 100% kitting of MTP, with the brown boots starting to filter through in the past 2 months.
WRT your second point, nice idea, but I would continue to wear kit that I’ve have to pay or barter for unless the ACO were to make a 100% replacement of my personal kit. This will never happen. It’ll probably be 10 years or longer before we get anything officially in the same way that a one off 50% issue was made of CS95 in about 2005.
[quote=“papa november” post=11824]
I doubt that we would have changed to MTP type had we not seen such a protracted period of desert/sandy environment warfare. My unit (by that I mean where I work) is only just getting to 100% kitting of MTP, with the brown boots starting to filter through in the past 2 months.
WRT your second point, nice idea, but I would continue to wear kit that I’ve have to pay or barter for unless the ACO were to make a 100% replacement of my personal kit. This will never happen. It’ll probably be 10 years or longer before we get anything officially in the same way that a one off 50% issue was made of CS95 in about 2005.[/quote]
Oh i know it was just to play devils advocate.
OK, this is one of the few topics we’ve had that has stayed on subject, but it’s getting a bit tired now. Just how much longer can we debate MTP? We had all the ‘why can’t we wear it’ discussions before. Now we’re allowed to wear it, we’re arguing over badge positions and the fact that that it won’t look good having groups of cadets and staff dressed differently. True, it won’t, but we’ve got to live with it!
I think that it was inevitable that we would be permitted to wear the stuff, but because we’re not (for the most part) scaled for No3 uniform, it is also inevitable that there will be a period of mixed turnout. Despite the knocking they get on here, HQAC are not stupid and I’m pretty sure they would have thought about this before making any decision and understood the effect their decision would have, particularly as I would imagine ATF and CACWO would have been consulted. It’s also true that the better off cadets will get it earlier than those with less disposable cash. Again, that’s inevitable.
We’ve also seen comments on here about banning MTP PCS until the whole unit has it and I’ve heard of Sqns mandating that when teams are put into events, everyone must be the same. We can’t bar a cadet from an activity just because he or she has bought the current issue stuff!
Isn’t it about time to gratefully accept what we’ve been asking for, accept that there will be issues for several years and get on with providing training and development opportunities for our young men and women rather that getting up tight about what combat kit they wear occasionally?
How often have we heard the expression ‘be careful what you ask for, you might just get it’?
[quote=“cygnus maximus” post=11826]OK, this is one of the few topics we’ve had that has stayed on subject, but it’s getting a bit tired now. Just how much longer can we debate MTP? We had all the ‘why can’t we wear it’ discussions before. Now we’re allowed to wear it, we’re arguing over badge positions and the fact that that it won’t look good having groups of cadets and staff dressed differently. True, it won’t, but we’ve got to live with it!
I think that it was inevitable that we would be permitted to wear the stuff, but because we’re not (for the most part) scaled for No3 uniform, it is also inevitable that there will be a period of mixed turnout. Despite the knocking they get on here, HQAC are not stupid and I’m pretty sure they would have thought about this before making any decision and understood the effect their decision would have, particularly as I would imagine ATF and CACWO would have been consulted. It’s also true that the better off cadets will get it earlier than those with less disposable cash. Again, that’s inevitable.
We’ve also seen comments on here about banning MTP PCS until the whole unit has it and I’ve heard of Sqns mandating that when teams are put into events, everyone must be the same. We can’t bar a cadet from an activity just because he or she has bought the current issue stuff!
Isn’t it about time to gratefully accept what we’ve been asking for, accept that there will be issues for several years and get on with providing training and development opportunities for our young men and women rather that getting up tight about what combat kit they wear occasionally?
How often have we heard the expression ‘be careful what you ask for, you might just get it’?[/quote]
I think its more a case of two things number 1) everyone loves to have a good moan, it doesnt matter if the point is valid or not or even if its that imortant to the person we just like to have a good moan.
and number 2) not matter how grown up we all like to think we are all the adult staff (maybe not serving and ex regs) are just as excited about the new gucci kit thats out and we are all wanting to tlk about it and get some and everything else to do with it. its just typical life. so let the moaning commence 
[quote=“papa november” post=11824][
I doubt that we would have changed to MTP type had we not seen such a protracted period of desert/sandy environment warfare. My unit (by that I mean where I work) is only just getting to 100% kitting of MTP, with the brown boots starting to filter through in the past 2 months.
[/quote]
But it had nothing to do with the ‘desert’ and ‘sandy’ warfare. It came from only having sandy desert kit to issue to troops deploying into an environment where they could cover ground varying from farmland, to desert, to arid scrub, to green scrub, to near jungle in a single patrol.
Same on the second point, though.
With respect, nobody is making you read the thread…
