IBN 011/2026 - ACP 1358V5

What drawbacks are there?

Ill-fitting uniform, duplicate shoes, burden on the RAF for d blue shirts, impractical

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Also, some cadets don’t have a plain shirt, and just use a camp one, so they’ll have to buy another

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i question this…

in what way is a “suit” impractical for classroom based activities?
pupils and teachers up and down the country, wear a “suit” to school - so what impracticalities exist?
it has its place, as does No3

School clothes actually fit, aren’t made of horrid cheap materials, can be adjusted to the climate etc etc

Is it? Genuine question, as all I can find in AP 1358 is this:

T-Shirt. All year round wear under garment. The t-shirt is to be a green within the range of greens used on Multi-Terrain Patterns.

The issued ones are brand/logo free so aligning with that

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How many regulars wear them - I’d wager only those fresh out of Cranditz or Halton. Loads of videos online of regulars not wearing them

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But we aren’t issued tshirts…

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I see. The AP doesn’t ban privately purchased t-shirts with badges though: as long as they’re green (which is infuriating, as most of mine are tan). T-shirts with embroidered sqn badges and printing on the back are very, very common.

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I really can’t believe anyone is caring this much about t-shirts worn under PCS… :roll_eyes:

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The book is what it is, make a suggestion through the DPSG Hubs until then policy remains.

We have the same issue with combats - children grow quickly, and will continue to do so whatever they wear.

Burden on the RAF for 12-year-old sized combat uniform?

As others have said - it’s an open necked shirt and trousers, with shoes. How is it impractical? The only thing I can think of that would make it substantially different to my work uniform (in which I regularly lift/carry/move heavy loads and get into all sorts of positions in less than clean ground) is wearing black boots rather than shoes.

Cold? Put a jumper on. Hot? Take it off - it’s an open necked shirt, and therefore is better ventilated (and hence more cooling) than a t-shirt and PCS jacket. It also provides better coverage than just a t-shirt (including a collar which protects the neck), so is less likely to result in burnt cadets.

If anything, the only real improvements could be restoring full cotton garments, and using black boots rather than shoes (which isn’t really needed as we have combats). I seem to recall there is work going on to identify a PWS source of mtp for cadets, to avoid “high-street” prices - in my opinion, this should then be something that squadron civ coms are looking to fund for cadets.

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It’s also more the idea that it’s not practical for everything.

Sure, it’s “fine” for a lot of stuff, but even sitting in a flight sim chair can be more comfortable in greens. Blue also wears and tears more easily.

Other than the question of how they display their badges (fewer badges?) I can’t think of a real downside to being in green all the time.

Not something that is tangibly improved by being in blue, anyway.

And the fact they need both in order to access the cadet offer means there’s a stronger argument for dropping the less versatile one.

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Do we not issue coveralls for precisely this reason? Cadets do not need No3, as coveralls can be worn in lieu.

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That works both ways.

If people care enough they can suggest an edit through the formal process.

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Maybe switch to a barrack shirt as they continue to be tucked in.

Are you involved in the rewrite of acp1358?

do cadets anywhere actually use the overalls can’t say we have ever used them for anything

Leading it