Camp, Activity, Course and Event (CACE) Activity Process

Ahh yes, sorry, I stand corrected

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Air Rifle - Transport but no VA
Service Rifle - no transport

Requirement for qualified staff is no different.

One thing you cannot do is shoot a Service Rifle on Sqn, so let’s not fund transport.

Who writes this absolute garbage?

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That makes no sense at all.

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Someone who it does not, never has, and never will impact.

I’m sure that IBNs undergo a formal process now to be released, which speaks volumes about the rest of the people in the process.

Maybe they have accepted their failures. After all, only a minority of cadets will experience AEF.

I think at this point they are just sending this out into the wild and hoping this forum will point out all the faults, which will save them from going through it all word for word :grimacing:

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At a guess, someone’s has extracted a list of activity from an outdated doc and believed it to be true.

They have then applied some unknown logic to what we want to be focusing delivery on.

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We currently have 2 lists that I can think of. One in ACP 300, and another in ACTO 10. The latter was based on the former. And it’s the ACTO 10 list that defines the activity drop-down in SMS. So that’s the list that needs to be used for this table at Annex A!

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Just about every thing in "Key Documents’ is outdated. ACTO 154 is still available despite being superseded not once but twice (first by ACP 5, then by the fire portal), whilst the enrolment has (or had) 4 seperate appearances across 4 different documents. and don’t get me started on the refenceses to IBNs that have been recined for years. I’ll stop there but could probably fill an entire thread with this.

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One of the new ACLIs has a good bit in it about Wing staff making sure the activity is permitted, and lists various policies:

This is needed, clearly. Especially when we are referring to IBNs within other policy documentation.

Would love to see the stats on how many of each type of activity has occurred pre and post CASE process being place.

I bet the numbers will be significantly reduced as they will have fallen into the ‘too difficult’ box and been binned off.

Add in factors like getting FMT600 qualified drivers, new rules on FT etc and all the other increases in faff and I bet the numbers of cadets getting to do anything meaningful is falling off a cliff.

But then from an HQ perspective keeps the budgets in hand :slight_smile:

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That should be fairly easy to report on in SMS. Someone with sufficient access could view events and compare how many were run. E.g. May 2019 vs May 2024 etc. Perhaps there’s even a PowerBI report already that does it?

And the risk levels non-existent. Doing nothing means you can’t harm anyone.

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Well we have a response on Valuing our People . . .

The HQ are aware of your views

:expressionless:

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The second part of the sentence does say there will be clarification and amendments in due course though, which shows the issue are being dealt with… However if that’s the case it should surely be worth pulling the IBN temporarily and then reassuring it when it’s properly amended!

Pulling the IBN would be admitting they made a mistake.

I can’t help but think that’s just RC(N) saying that though, will we actually get anything meaningful?

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i think the question needs asking, is that IBN a clear and obvious message and workable going forward?

While taking it line by line it might be, as a whole table it is confusing, contradictory, unclear how decisions have been made, and overly complicated.

While I will avoid suggesting “anything they do will be an improvement” - this cannot stand as a “meaningful” direction to take forward

The IBN as published is completely unfit for purpose. You’ve got table header definitions that don’t make sense. Some headers defined as basically the same thing. You’ve got bits that disagree with other policy. And you’ve got a table with activities we don’t/can’t do, but missing things we can do.

It’s a joke.

But, if RC(N) says it’s being looked at and amendments are coming, then I’m inclined to trust him. He’s shown in the past he happy to push for change when things are silly.

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