Weapons training courses on the L86A2 LSW!
Thats been OOS for years!
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No No, No contradiction here, this is a well thought out and well executed policy.
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This is jokes 
Who’s writing this nonsense, and who’s checking it 
@AlexCorbin will be upset, Sqn Drill and Ceremonial is prioritised as a “Should Not”, same as IACE and SCC (wonder if that’s different from UCC which is a Must?)
Why is the priority system even using works like this. Why didn’t they just do a 1-5 or something? Must Not just makes it sound like it’s now a banned thing, rather than just the lowest priority.
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just remember that . . .
‘Must not’ signifies an absolute prohibition, and VA must not be awarded.
soo uuuhhhhhh yeah, a banned thing.
Huh, well then maybe it does make sense in that way. But that means ACPS is banned if you don’t use the acronym
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“Shooting Service Weapon” is a could, with no VA or Transport.
How exactly are we moving them to and from the range?
Also, “weapons training courses… run by SATTs” you can have VA, but no transport… again, moving of OME from site to site?
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The IBN does give some clues to this, I think it means no transport for moving the people, but service MT for the rifles is ok.
This does not detail activities, such as shooting and fieldcraft that mandate the use of service transport - please refer to ACP26.
We really need a combined policy for this. A planning policy. ACTO 10 is pretty much already there. Combine that with this IBN plus relevant bits from ACP 300, JSP 814 and other policy documents. Have it all in one place.
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Doesn’t the IBN also hint to this . . . ACP 237?
As clear as mud.
Should have an asterisk or number, which then refers back to the body of text.
Most units (like i did) will go straight to Annex A, and go… “what can i do?”
Also, we have a small sqn training camp in just over a months time. The matrix now says “CACE - Yes”.
Do i need a CACE to run it? Or just to claim VA? Even though, we are under the new threshold for CACE…
IBN 010/2025 supersedes IBN 013/2024 which put into “policy” the 70 cadet, 10 days VA threshold.
I get that, but the matrix say CACE - Yes.
So is that a, yes it needs it… or a yes it needs it if it reaches that threshold. The caveat is “when directed to do so”
but the thresholds don’t exist anymore because they were only part of IBN 013/24
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But that’ll be an edition, not combining of. Pretty sure anyway…
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But not if it’s not run by a SATT.
And radio courses need insurance.
I’m confused by this column. There’s lots of things listed, like radio, that I thought we were fully covered for…
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It could be a huge cost to Squadrons or Wings, I’ve no idea how we’d insure a radio course, what type of cover would be needed, or who would underwrite it.
Yes they do, they have just changed.
CACE must be completed and authorised for the following:
· Overseas activities.
· Activities lasting three nights or more.
· 70 or more cadets attending.
· Activities requiring publicly funded transport with a professional driver.
· Activities requiring a total VA claim exceeding 28 days (not per attending CFAV).
· When directed to do so.CACE isn’t needed for activities that don’t meet any of these criteria, unless specifically directed otherwise. Unit-level activities usually don’t require CACE unless they meet one or more of the criteria.
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