Johnson was always angling for an Election, but on his terms not Corbyn’s, he’s in a position now where he has made Anti-EU Corbyn (who is probably more pro-Brexit than he is) into the man blocking Brexit.
Whatever you think of Johnson they have all played into his hands.
but what about Honda…and other Japanese cars?
Not correct in the slightest. Her previous case simply found that to activate A50 parliament needed to give the PM the power. The later issues re. meaningful vote on the deal were political issues completely separate from the Miller judgment.
I think we should be able to challenge everything up to a point. If you have a legal vote and don’t like the result then I don’t think you can challenge it.
Her initial challenge was to enable parliament to have a vote on triggering A50. I believe it was her belief that it would not be passed but it did and now we are in this pit where the politicians have lost the plot.
Nissan are part of Renault, not PSA.
Tariffs have nothing to do with the origin of the company, it’s where the cars are made that matters. If FIAT opened a Japanese factory, then cars imported to the EU would be subject to tariffs (until the agreement came in to effect). It’s why Japanese manufacturers have plants in the EU in the first place - and it’s why those plants are in a very precarious position (Brexit or not) now that the tariffs have been removed in EU-Japan trade. It’s bad news for EU-Japanese car plants but good news for smaller EU manufacturers who’d like to sell in Japan but can’t afford to set up a factory there.
For UK-Japanese car plants, the best short-term solution is probably a deal with Europe and WTO tariffs with the rest of the world, as that would retain the raison d’etre for the plants’ existence in the first place. Remain would actually be bad for them, as no tariffs mean that they might as well make the cars in Japan.
thank you for that explanation. a great help!
@MikeJenvey This woman is a chancer of the first order, I thought this had been judged as legal last week. If prorogation was new and this was the first time, then you can understand the challenge. But it’s not new and has been done in agreement with the Monarch which as far if goes in the UK puts a seal on it. For a judge to say it’s illegal could well find himself having a chat with someone a bit higher up the chain. The judge knew all the boxes had been ticked, so couldn’t judge it illegal.
@daws1159 Good call.
I think Corbyn knows inside, that if we have GE, Labour are likely to lose seats as their voting base who want to Leave will more than likely vote Brexit Party like many voted UKIP, and there are a lot of ordinary Labour voters who just don’t like what he stands for so would vote for anyone else. They may vote Labour in elections, but they’re not up for the full Socialist agenda if they won, of higher taxes all round and state control.
In 2017 Corbyn couldn’t beat Theresa May so now faced with the reality of another one is not prepared to have one. TBH I feel a lot of Conservative voters quite like Boris Johnson as he has tried to do what he said he would do, more so than May and been thwarted by his own people, like May. He got a massive majority from the grassroots (something May never did) and if they get candidates who are pro Leave standing a good chance they will get in. Frankly he’s shown he’s not prepared to suffer people, regardless of who they are if they are not going to support his agenda. It may be his undoing.
However I feel the Leave vote will be as in the last 2 by-elections … split.
It would laugh myself to an internal injury if we ended up with Conservative / Brexit Party coalition, as No Deal would be well and truly on the table and no chance of it being taken off, which then throws the gauntlet down to Brussels … give us what we want or face months of aggro. This is what we should have done as soon as “we” were told “we” had to have a deal.
Boing - MPs back Brexit delay bill in first vote…
So it now seems the GE won’t take place after the 31st Oct and only if BJ asks for an extension.
Seems to me they either don’t have a clue what to do or are thinking the EU may just say “you know what, your out!!”
In that case they will blame the tories and they all think they will come out smelling of roses.
This is now a total farce!!!
Regardless if you voted in or out you do now need to question the ability of everyone in that place.
I agree they are all a shower of brown sticky stuff. That “accidental amendment” was a farce
In my head we are now in the position
The government has declared no deal off the table.
EU wont renegotiate
So doesn’t that leave TM Deal (That they dont agree with) or revoke article 50?
That’s the problem isn’t it.
TM deal that’s been voted down 3 times to vote it in is desperation.
Revoke article 50
what’s the point of voting in the future??
Also what toll will it take in the Eu for the future…
How many millions has the EU spent negotiating will they then hammer us with a bill?
Will they start treating the uk as a door mat?
Never mind any domestic fall out, and by that I mean lost confidence in politicians etc not the stupid threat of riots
There is also the EU’s ability to just kick us out.
Remember the morning after the referendum Tusk did say… we will need to ensure we send a message to other countries thinking to leave
What ability to just kick us out? If we revoke A50 they can’t do anything about it.
Well, I thought Cameron has spherical items the size of peanuts when he pulled the black & yellow handle after the Leave / Remain referendum result, but it would seem that Corbyn’s are even smaller!! 
I thought that if we revoked it needed the consent of the EU council? (Don’t get me wrong I think they would give it).
No. CJEU ruled a while back that we can revoke unilaterally and stay in on the same terms we currently have.
Darn European Court, nothing but a pain in Britain’s Cornish Peninsula.
@AlexCorbin The government doesn’t want “No Deal” off the table, Parliament does and there is a difference .
When you look at the voting the Conservative party didn’t vote for “No Deal” to be removed, there is a massive difference and sets a bad precedence for the future when we are out. Our politicians and CS mandarins go to discuss trade deals and if it’s not too our liking the people we’re negotiating with say “nah that’s it, take or leave it, there’s no no deal”.
I find it incredible that supposedly intelligent people want to tie the hands of negotiators like this. Say they go back to Brussels, Brussels just says there it is, bend over and take it, as your parliament has said you can’t if you are going to leave.
Also the vote for an early GE only 56 voted against and again the Conservatives voted for it, with a massive number abstaining. What a weak and shambolic opposition, no guts and no conviction.
As I said before thank God we didn’t have a Parliament like this 80 years ago.
when I say kicked out the EU may not extend the leaving date which as it stands is 31 Oct.
they did say there could be reasons to give an extension a new election being one but they may decide just to say no, so we need to bear that in mind too.
That’s true. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they have just had enough now
