Bader Squadron Management System v5

Hells Bells Teflon! I mean, we all know you’re about as on the ball as a dead seal but I barely even know where to being with that latest drivel…

To paraphrase: “I can’t see the technical changes within the system so therefore they don’t exist”.

Well, Cadet Portal is one aspect worth mentioning. That couldn’t have been done with the previous version of SMS.

You clearly understand neither what “future proofing” means nor what is required for this evil computer magic to actually work.

It might be time for you to just accept that you don’t understand any of this modern stuff and stop trying to apply your fundamentally flawed logic to bash it at every opportunity.
You’re not making valid points - you’re just making yourself look like an ignorant technophobe.

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@wdimagineer2b My understanding of future proofing is something that is usable into the future and doesn’t become outdated. Which means nothing “electronic” or computer based is or can be future proof, unless in this context future proof means until the next thing comes along. If this is still in the same format in 2 years I would be surprised. The OHP we have at the squadron is future proof.
I just don’t understand why there needs to be so much information on the front page and who decided I needed so see it all the time. If someone could answer these two points sensibly it would be a start. If it was customisable like say the BBC website, eg I pick and choose what I want to see, that would be fine.

Your understanding is wrong.

The database that underpins SMS is far more future-proof than your OHP.

OK then what is future proofing, by your definition? I asked an IT bod what he thought future proofing, was as I wrote, and he smirked at the idea of the idea of future proofing IT.
I thought databases like all software works in terms of versions, every new version replacing the old. You can’t say this is version x and pretend it’s the same as version r.

Still no one saying why this information is on the front screen, who thinks I need to have it and why the view can’t be customisable. Also who has driven the change, given the costs involved it will need to have been someone controlling the purse strings.

Not the back-end, no.

Future proofing doesn’t mean that nothing requires any further work, ever.
The term is “future proof” not “forever and all eternity proof”.

I’ll use an analogy… I’m currently landscaping the garden. A new patio will be going in. At some point in the future I plan to build a workshop, with lighting and water. I also plan to set up a waterfall and garden lighting elsewhere.

In order to future-proof my plans, i.e. to prepare for the future, I will lay the electrical cables and pipework in the ground now, before a nice patio is built on top of it.
That way, I don’t have to tear up part of the patio in 6 months time to route cables and pipes.

I might also choose to run network cable for computer and telephone at the same time, even though I don’t have specific plans to use it at this stage… If it’s in the ground ready then I can do whatever I like and the cost of 10m of cable is far less than the cost to rip up the patio and make it good again if I change my mind and want that option.

I still have to actually build the other elements of the garden - that requires work; but the project is future proofed as far as my foreseeable plans.

The elements of SMS have been updated to include features that were not present in the old version. You can’t see these features, they are “underground”.
These features are the future-proofing. The other systems - like cadet portal, mass email/text notifications, etc have yet to be built, but the work which has gone into SMS v5 makes that possible.
In this way, when someone decides “okay, let’s now add personal accounts for all staff to SMS” it won’t require a complete rewrite of SMS - that’s already been done.

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An article explaining how the release went, what went wrong and what is going to happen next has been published at:

https://rafac.sharepoint.com/sites/smsportal/SitePages/SMS-Progress-Update.aspx

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Fair play to him for writing that.

That was very interesting, and probably more relevant to every volunteer than anything Dawn has ever tweeted in her commandant updates!

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A thorough and well thought out description of the lessons learnt.

Damn this Corps, the mod and civil service for hobnailing us with an IT dept scaled for a 30 person business.
They need a much bigger permanent team.

The results would be immediate and sustained.

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PS your OHP isn’t future-proof - good luck finding lamps for it in 30 years time.

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Sorted. I bought these, I’ve got 3½ crates of them at home and there are ½ dozen sitting in the stores. I was buying them when they started saying the proper bulbs were being got rid of. They’re in the loft in 40w & 60w bayonet and screw as these are what we have at home. We did try the new bulbs when they gave them away, but they were crap as a light source.
I looked at the new led style bulbs, but they don’t just plug into the standard fitting and they appear to, need a transformer to get the voltage down and as far as I can see, can’t be retro fitted. So you need to buy a compete new light fitting, when there is nothing wrong with the one you have. Madness. There’s a STEM project for cadets, adaptor to make led bulbs work in a bayonet or screw fitting.
There was a fallacy regarding incandescent bulbs about wasted heat, but this contributed to heating houses. We noticed it when we tried the new ones. Not much heat from the proper bulbs, but enough just to crack the chill.

Wait. You think your overhead projector runs on a household, 60W incandescent light bulb?
(it might well do, come to think about it. I’ve not seen one in years and haven’t ever tried to take one apart!)

Interesting idea, though not much call for it since just about every company out there has beaten them to it by several years.
https://www.google.com/search?q=led+bulb&sxsrf=ACYBGNSY-fgJJsHM0c2S77x78f5VUt01bQ:1569769004161&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwik_PyepfbkAhWfSRUIHeu-B3UQ_AUIEygC&biw=1920&bih=930

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A quick Google suggests that most OHPs use 24V 250W bulbs of a very specialist type…

Also… “future proof = usable into the future and doesn’t become outdated”.

So is Teflon still using the same transparencies from 1991? The syllabus had changed a few times since then so his OHP wasn’t even future proof 30 years ago by his own standards…

I feel sorry for the cadets that have to stare at an OHP while mine are living in the 21St century watching me write over PowerPoint presentations and manipulate graphics in real-time. I mean, you can’t even display video on OHP so to call it “future proof” is laughable. It may be usable, but it is not future proof. Old sms was usable, but new sms is future proof

Future proof tech allows for, prepares for, or is compatible with future innovations in related tech and systems.

SMS V5 is future proofed as it allows the integration of Cadet Portal and any further development of that system. There’s the increase in potential for integration with the other systems such as (potential examples - I’m not in that circle) the Universe and Ultilearn replacements. It improves our options for going (more) paperless and even the possibility to make further changes and improvements to the front end product and GUI if deemed necessary. Future-proofing allows for changes, changes don’t mean a product wasn’t proofed (unless the product is incompatible with those changes).

If you bought a minimum spec pc 5 years ago it’s out of date. If you (somehow) bought an uncustomisable gaming pc 5 years ago just capable of running the games you played at the time then you’ll struggle with some new games now. If you built an upgradeable gaming pc 10 years ago then with some changes you’re probably still OK.

The point is, a system able to be upgraded and/or integrated with yet-to-be-seen complementary systems is future proofed and that’s what SMS V5 is. Change, whether you like it or not, is inevitable. The idea is to be prepared for that change.

Wait, does this guy genuinely think that when they replaced old style incandescent lightbulbs they put the new ones in a completely different design of light fitting?

Words fail me.

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Yes, I’m not sure what planet he’s living on but it doesn’t seem to be one with Google.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=led+bayonet+bulb

There you go @Teflon, they go for between 1 and 3 quid each, and are about 30-50W more efficient than an incandescent bulb. That means at the cheap end of the scale they’ll have paid for themselves in about 120 hours of usage at any time of year that the heating’s not on.

You’ll also have slashed the greenhouse gas output of your lighting by 90%, but I imagine you probably think that’s all a hoax anyway.

Now, back to SMS!

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Can we move this chat about teflon and his bulbs to elsewhere?

Just realised they have changed “Present Uniform” and “Present Civvies” to “Present Correctly Dressed” and “Present Incorrectly Dressed” that’s gonna skew some stats!

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We’ve had a few jokes about that.

Also has the same for CIs…