Regardless, such a hypothetical cadet has flown solo - Assuming they didn’t prang / nick the aircraft they’ve reached the solo standard.
Regardless the state of the aircraft - if they went up and came down they’ve done it!
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I don’t think there’s any intention to decline anybody anything they’re entitled to wear?
Wings shouldn’t be handed out willy nilly. You need an award authority to confirm the requirements have been met, otherwise everybody would be slapping a pair on their chest. I believe 2FTS is the award authority for cadet wings?
I’ve posted somewhere - now devolved to Region for most circumstances.
Agree, but you miss the point - Why do regulations say that a licence holder can wear them, but someone who has only got to first solo standard may be allowed to wear them. The ‘authority’ is the RAvOs - It would be useful to understand why they may not allow someone who has flown their first solo not to wear the wings.
I guess you may not be able to wear them if you can’t produce documentary evidence?
Exactly so.
Old procedure: send documentary evidence to RAvnO/CCFAvnO, they check and send to 2FTS, 2FTS confirms and issues wings.
New procedure: send documentary evidence to RAvnO/CCFAvnO, they check and issue wings.
Evidence required: for me it would be a copy of logbook entry countersigned by their instructor (with CAA number) or, if not countersigned*, then letter on headed paper from CFI of the ATO/DTO/BGA club in question. Or of course a copy of the actual licence if they have a PPL/LAPL/NPPL/SPL. But check with your RAvnO.
*Not sure it’s a legal requirement, but best practice is definitely for any flight which forms part of the requirements for issue of a rating or licence to be countersigned by the instructor like that. Americans do that more often than we do, it seems.
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During PPL training the logbook doesn’t need signing as the ATO keep instructor records for sending to CAA…
Once license is issued you can get instructor sign offs without being at an ATO, so a good idea for instructor to sign log book with references etc.
Or that’s my experience anyway…
Although instructor still needs to sign the reval sheet sent to CAA, so maybe I’m talking rubbish.
During my ppl I never had the instructor sign my logbook, but since being let loose in the world away from an ATO I like to as keeping records and evidence in order is my responsibility…
So there is NO difference between PPL holders who have a right to wear wings and those who have achieved first solo - both have to produce evidence to demonstrate their achievement. So, why do the regs say that PPL holders have a right to wear the C Wings but those who have only achieved their first solo may be entitled to wear them? Surely if satisfactory evidence is produced the wings get issued ?
oh! that is different to me.
on my test and then later revalidations my instructor has signed to say i have passed, and then since for the time with an instructor
legacy text, I suspect. AFAIK C wings always require authorisation. I’ll ask, though.
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“Hundreds” of opinions out there about this, my understanding which I use as an instructor are to countersign the following exercises for initial license issue:
Slow Flight
Stalling (1 & 2)
Basic Instrument Flight
Thereafter if a license holder is flying their required 1hr with an instructor in the 2nd year of their rating, I will countersign that line in the logbook and if within 3months of the expiry of the rating I can sign off their SRG 1119 and their rating (on their licence) for another 2yrs. (Provided the rating is still valid otherwise they cannot revalidate by experience and a LPC is required)
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Aww I want my Wings now… why couldn’t they have made up their minds 12 years ago! Much cooler than my poxy Blue Wings from a week-long VGS spent with spoilt CCF cadets (but that’s another thread drift).
So any opinions about BALPAs latest address to aspiring pilots?
She’s spot on
Anyone who signs up for an integrated course in the next 24 months is simply a moron with too much money.
On the flip side I’m starting this journey next year and every flying school I’ve spoke to in my research phas has said that my plan the modular over 4 to 5 years is the best route in the current climate…
It’s criminal these schools like L3 are even promoting 18 month integrated courses
Had an “interesting” email exchange with a wg CI earlier this yr, they were coordinating an on-line meeting for cadets interested in applying for an integrated cse.
My input was do NOT go down that route! He did not agree…
Obviously reinforced by the current Covid19 situation & surplus (experienced) pilots trying to get a new job!
I have a friend who spent a 120k with L3… Completed his course now drives a tesco van and has been told from L3 themselves they can’t support his airline interview prep for a minimum of 3 years
One of my ex-RAF friends - their son is currently in Florida - looks like 2 flight schools at his location, but apparently he has to do the EASA conversions back in the UK.
So far, about £80K on a re-mortgage for ma & pa - more costs (if not included) when back in the UK. Chance of a job? To me, zero. Even if he lands one, most likely to be an airline cadet scheme = self-fund, minimal salary for 3+ yrs…
Also, in order to keep pilots / allow expansion, an interesting contract issue with Ryanair; it would seem that when a FO upgrades to captain, there is a clause that states that ALL captains must be prepared to be a line trainer after 6 months…potentially, the blind (low-ish hrs) leading the blind (180 hr cadet pilot)!
How are the ones who finish training going to be able to keep current, surely affording aircraft rental is going to near impossible when paying off the repayments of loans etc
Especially ME at £400 an hour