You know what really makes me laugh?

Same tbh, but this time of night the selection left on the shelf is pretty limited :frowning:

I’m hoping it was the only thing left. That is not a sandwich of choice, that’s a sandwich of necessity.

Desperate man’s chicken parmo!

my wife had some CPD trainer visit yesterday and they provided food - Waitrose sandwiches, great you might think…? the choice included Cheese and celery - a combination neither Mrs Steve nor I have ever heard of or considered before!

I don’t rate his ice cream manufacturer.

I’m stuck for the possible name of the appellant in that case.

In a breath I could make a wild guess.

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I wonder if there will now be desperate back peddling by the likes of Chris Parry who called it “craven political correctness and ideology gone mad”.

So, sensible diplomacy is woke now too?

How do we think the same press would react if the Kriegsmarine named a ship Dieppe? Or Tobruk?

There is a big difference between modern history and ancient history, it’s not like they wanted to call it HMS Mohne Dam.

Personally I think they should’ve gone for Ardent but that’s just me.

The Astutes are replacing an entire class called Trafalgar, built in the ‘70s and ‘80s.

What’s changed since then? Trafalgar was much more recent than Agincourt, too.

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The Kreigsmarine went out as a name in 1945, the present name is just Marine.

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I did wonder about that.

A lot of attitudes have changed since then. Maybe the more grown up thing for us to do is not rub our allies’ faces in it?

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A more detailed and more rounded discussion of RN vessel names here:

There was previously an Agincourt, a Dreadnought first built for Brazil which ended up with the RN via Turkey.

But Achilles has a long history with the Navy.

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This is the best, sending it to dad

Personally I don’t believe the name change has anything to do with “upsetting the French” as it’s a medieval battle & keeps the history for both nations alive. The French would just name a new ship or sub “castillion”

The more likely reason are

  • Agincourt is a place in a different nation.

  • Achilles is smaller from a font size so cheaper costs in terms of text & branding (eg cap bands)

  • Ajax was the original name so a civil servant for a perchant for Greek myths wants to go back to that theme.

Or perhaps the boat just has a dodgy starboard propeller

Greek mythology has always been my Achilles’ knee

RN cap tallies for the submarine service just state HM Submarines. All RN like all new USN submarines have a propulsor rather than an open propeller.

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