No uniform in licensed premises… isnt that a Royal Marine thing? :-s
No uniform in licences places? really…
I cant think how many times I have done this. Not a rule for us, just given guidance. Just wait till you bump into a rig run on your night out!
[quote=“juliet mike” post=6616]No uniform in licensed premises.
Of course, this also applies to Tesco, Asda and any other place that sells alcohol. :S[/quote]
[quote=“Baldrick” post=6619]That makes the milk run slightly more difficult.
And bag packing…[/quote]
There’s one the rule makers haven’t taken into account and given when you bag pack you have cadets there a double whammy no, no.
According to the regs, wearing uniform is encouraged (0112 b.) …
There’s another anomaly / expample of vagueness, (taking into account that as stated supermarkets, ‘corner shops’ and numerous other shops are licensed purveyors) a few sub-paras apart.
I imagine the various dining events, where uniform is worn that take place in licensed premises are included under 0113 a. Or is it the assumption that the hotel, club etc etc becomes a mess to get around the no uniform ruling (in more ways than one) and if so, should we not have mess bar prices!!
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=6630]
According to the regs, wearing uniform is encouraged (0112 b.) …
On a related note, before this thread becomed entirely focused upon ‘licensed premises’: what is the shared opinion and/or practised custom amongst readers when it comes to headgear in shops? I was originally brought up to remove all hats on entering any shop/house etc, but I’ve noticed over time that the vast majority of people (civilians, and service personnel, whether in NAAFI or high street shops) tend to leave them on.
The clear continuing exception to that ‘rule’ appears to be when entering eating places, wherein hats seem to still be removed by everyone (apart from, of course, the staff).
So what do you do with your headgear, when entering a shop/bank? It’s entirely practical to doff-carry-don a beret or forage cap, but extremely-awkward to do the same with an SD peak.
If you’re not covering-over uniform with a civilian jacket, so, wearing uniform, and are (say) entering/leaving a shopping ‘mall’ or other large civilian hangerage such as Tesda or Asco or B’n’Queue, what do you do? Yes, you!
wilf_san
Its simple:
Outdoors - hats on.
Indoors - hats off.
I guess a bit of common sense applies; if I was nipping into the NAAFI for 30 secs to get a pint of milk or smokes, what’s the need to remove headress? On the other hand if stopping at a service stn on a long coach journey for example, headdress off. Certainly if indoors for longer than a couple of mins, headdress off.
On the same vein if walking the 20m from block to car, I wouldn’t usually bother sticking headdress on.
Having said all this, I’m one of those headdress off whenever I could get away with it people. I’m losing enough hair as it is without a beret adding to it!!
I’d always take my hat off when going indoors in a public place, it’s just politeness.
[quote=“rockape3” post=6637]
On the same vein if walking the 20m from block to car, I wouldn’t usually bother sticking headdress on.
Having said all this, I’m one of those headdress off whenever I could get away with it people. I’m losing enough hair as it is without a beret adding to it!![/quote]
now i am the complete opposite.
beret goes on as the selt belt comes off and i wear it until
“working” either at a desk/pc or during an instructional period
in a “mess” which i define as anywhere eating/drinking takes place*
ordered to do so for “an other” reason, ie FOD
*in that i also include when eating outside. for example on a car marshalling event i would remove headress while eating my pack lunch and in the Sqn main hall during canteen as i am eating i am “in a mess” (awaiting blacklash of comments and slating now)
Girls weren’t issued female slacks in those days because they didn’t exist at all in the RAF until the 1990s. Girls (or indeed WRAF) were not authorised any sort of blue uniform trousers at all until uniform female slacks appeared.
[quote=“wilf_san” post=6631]what is the shared opinion and/or practised custom amongst readers when it comes to headgear in shops? I was originally brought up to remove all hats on entering any shop/house etc, but I’ve noticed over time that the vast majority of people (civilians, and service personnel, whether in NAAFI or high street shops) tend to leave them on.
So what do you do with your headgear, when entering a shop/bank? It’s entirely practical to doff-carry-don a beret or forage cap, but extremely-awkward to do the same with an SD peak.
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If I’m popping into the SPAR and likely to only be in there for a couple of minutes (bearing in mind for 99% of my time I’ll be wearing a forage cap as it lives in my car) I keep my hat on. Can’t really say I ever go shopping in uniform at my current posting as it involves a trip into town, whereas previously the base was a town!
If I’m carrying a shopping basket or trolley, the hat goes in there if I’m in the shop that long! :lol:
Very similar here: If I’m popping into a shop for a short time with a beret on I’ll leave it on but if I’ll be there a while it’ll come off.
If I’m wearing an SD cap I’ll take it off as you look like a nob wandering round indoors with a big hat on. It is also easier to put back on properly than a beret.
Girls weren’t issued female slacks in those days because they didn’t exist at all in the RAF until the 1990s. Girls (or indeed WRAF) were not authorised any sort of blue uniform trousers at all until uniform female slacks appeared.[/quote]
…around the same time that it stopped being acceptable to pinch the bottoms of your female co-workers and say things like ‘Don’t worry your pretty head about that my dear…I take my tea with two sugars.’
Girls weren’t issued female slacks in those days because they didn’t exist at all in the RAF until the 1990s. Girls (or indeed WRAF) were not authorised any sort of blue uniform trousers at all until uniform female slacks appeared.[/quote]
…around the same time that it stopped being acceptable to pinch the bottoms of your female co-workers and say things like ‘Don’t worry your pretty head about that my dear…I take my tea with two sugars.’[/quote]
Yep they were bad times 
Hmm, I’m sure I saw Waafs in blue uniform in the 70s and they were definitely in blues in the 80s on my IOT!
[quote=“juliet mike” post=6616]No uniform in licensed premises.
Of course, this also applies to Tesco, Asda and any other place that sells alcohol. :S[/quote]
they are classed as OFFlicences as the licence only permits the sale of but not the consumption
[quote=“duty_pongo” post=6691][quote=“juliet mike” post=6616]No uniform in licensed premises.
Of course, this also applies to Tesco, Asda and any other place that sells alcohol. :S[/quote]
they are classed as OFFlicences as the licence only permits the sale of but not the consumption[/quote]
The reg reads whether alcohol being consumed or not, so reading it and taking the book as being taken completely as read like so many here like to, it does include off-licences.
Given these are ACO regs, I wonder what the RAF ones say, given the military want personnel to be visible off duty?
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=6695]Given these are ACO regs, I wonder what the RAF ones say, given the military want personnel to be visible off duty?[/quote]Exactly the same thing.
[quote]0113. Occasions on which uniform is not to be worn:
a. On leave
b. Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except when specifically approved by the Chain of Command. [/quote]
[quote=“glass half empty 2” post=6695][quote=“duty_pongo” post=6691][quote=“juliet mike” post=6616]No uniform in licensed premises.
Of course, this also applies to Tesco, Asda and any other place that sells alcohol. :S[/quote]
they are classed as OFFlicences as the licence only permits the sale of but not the consumption[/quote]
The reg reads whether alcohol being consumed or not, so reading it and taking the book as being taken completely as read like so many here like to, it does include off-licences.
Given these are ACO regs, I wonder what the RAF ones say, given the military want personnel to be visible off duty?[/quote]
not at all what I was getting at.
A licenced premises is a location that MAY serve an alcoholic drink for consumption whilst on the premises. Whether alcohol is consumed by an individual or not these places are still classed as Licence premise which is why they will have rules like no under 18’s after 9pm etc etc
An OFF licence such as tescos, asda etc (unless they have recently set up bars) can not sell alcohol that will be consumed whilst on their property. Therefore visits to these places can not be called a visit to a licensed premises as they are not classed as such
I didn’t know you were such a licensed retail guru… Carefull, you’re starting to sound like a particular Tesco employee that we know
[quote=“duty_pongo” post=6706][quote=“glass half empty 2” post=6695][quote=“duty_pongo” post=6691][quote=“juliet mike” post=6616]No uniform in licensed premises.
Of course, this also applies to Tesco, Asda and any other place that sells alcohol. :S[/quote]
they are classed as OFFlicences as the licence only permits the sale of but not the consumption[/quote]
The reg reads whether alcohol being consumed or not, so reading it and taking the book as being taken completely as read like so many here like to, it does include off-licences.
Given these are ACO regs, I wonder what the RAF ones say, given the military want personnel to be visible off duty?[/quote]
not at all what I was getting at.
A licenced premises is a location that MAY serve an alcoholic drink for consumption whilst on the premises. Whether alcohol is consumed by an individual or not these places are still classed as Licence premise which is why they will have rules like no under 18’s after 9pm etc etc
An OFF licence such as tescos, asda etc (unless they have recently set up bars) can not sell alcohol that will be consumed whilst on their property. Therefore visits to these places can not be called a visit to a licensed premises as they are not classed as such[/quote]
This is spot on got there before me!! bearing in mind I left the RAF 2 years ago if you got caught in a pub in uniform thats a charge even in junior ranks clubs (NAAFI bars) uniform is not to be worn well at least not at Brize infact the pubs in Carterton wont even let you in wearing uniform as the SWO told them its not allowed.