Many courses require syndicate work and a syndicate of 2 may not be viable.
It is also tricky to simulate a parade with only 2 execs
(do they still do that?)
Errr yes because I have been on one for work and run one at work, with only 2 attendees. The former, the 2 of us were contacted and because it was the only other course of itâs type being run that year, we said yes. The company concerned cancelled the venue, (although we still stayed there) and we did it in the companyâs offices, which actually worked to our advantage as we had better access to IT and the companyâs resources. The one I was involved in running was due to the fact we had already purchased and prepared materials, which would have meant money being wasted.
As for sickness/bereavement the others get on with it, itâs what theyâre being paid to do FGS. Iâm sure they could draft someone in last minute it need be.
The fact that ATF and others in the ATC bin courses purely due to lack of numbers, highlights the lack of respect extended to those expecting to attend.[/quote]
Excellent link youâve made there. A practical course requiring 6 or more to be suitable vs an office training package. They should put you in charge at ATF.
[quote=âOperation Nimrodâ post=7662][quote=âtimmyrahâ post=7661][quote=âOperation Nimrodâ post=7660]
You canât run a course with two attendees on it. [/quote]
Why not? It would save the attendees having to book on another course and the DS would be running the course anyway so itâs no inconvenience for them, theyâll just get a shorter week![/quote]
Been on a course recently? Think about the practical elements.[/quote]
Nope. I am, I donât see the problem. You just adapt.
[quote=âtimmyrahâ post=7667][quote=âOperation Nimrodâ post=7662][quote=âtimmyrahâ post=7661][quote=âOperation Nimrodâ post=7660]
You canât run a course with two attendees on it. [/quote]
Why not? It would save the attendees having to book on another course and the DS would be running the course anyway so itâs no inconvenience for them, theyâll just get a shorter week![/quote]
Been on a course recently? Think about the practical elements.[/quote]
Nope. I am, I donât see the problem. You just adapt.[/quote]
Explain how you adapt the practical elements of the course.
When I was at ATF for OIC, the message the staff there had for us. (And they do get out a lot more than you think.) Is that the pull-out rate for SSIC candidates is much, much higher than for OIC candidates. They run most SSICs under a nominal number of attendees, and have to cancel a fair few.
I think itâs because there are people out there who scaremonger candidates with horror stories of ATF. Discuss.
[quote=âBaldrickâ post=7683]
I think itâs because there are people out there who scaremonger candidates with horror stories of ATF. Discuss.[/quote]
Well I hated every single moment and couldnât wait to leave, but I donât scare people off.
It looks as if the updated version of AP 1358C contains the answer!
Same as Off Cdt but with ATC gilts instead of VR(T) ones.
Have tried to add screenshot but attachment facility doesnât seem to work. For those interested it can be found on page 117.
[quote=âShadowâ post=7687]It looks as if the updated version of AP 1358C contains the answer!
Same as Off Cdt but with ATC gilts instead of VR(T) ones.
Have tried to add screenshot but attachment facility doesnât seem to work. For those interested it can be found on page 117.[/quote]
Where have you seen the updated version? I can only seem to find v1.01 on SharePoint.
New version is on Ultilearn
[quote=âShadowâ post=7687]It looks as if the updated version of AP 1358C contains the answer!
Same as Off Cdt but with ATC gilts instead of VR(T) ones.
Have tried to add screenshot but attachment facility doesnât seem to work. For those interested it can be found on page 117.[/quote]
Iâve now seen this in an email as well as a few other changes.
Thank you. I canât get on to Ultilearn at the moment, so Iâll have to ask someone else at the squadron to look for me over the weekend.
My cadets asked today how many new sgts will get saluted thanks to this policy?
A better solution would be to issue the white beret badge discs instead. Simple.
YawnâŚ
make them Cpl (ATC) 
I was told that was what a large number of people suggested rather than this buggers muddle!
Make them AC (ATC).
What is missing here is an understanding of as pointed out the DS are already there and what would be wrong with using ATF staff as bodies for the practical elements. They can brush up on their skills and knowledge. God knows there must be a few at OASC sitting around doing not a lot at the moment, hence the desire to take on VR(T) selection. When I went to ACTC/ATF there was more sitting around getting talked at than leaping around doing things.
In the examples I quoted, our respective companies had paid a lot of money for the course with the expectation that you will use the acquired knowledge, which I did as soon as I got back. Which is what I expect of staff going to ATF.
On the point of the second, like the DS at ATF we were there and had cleared the decks for that day and spent a lot of money on things that would have gone to waste.
The fact courses get binned by ATF displays total disrespect to those staff booking holiday to attend. When you look at their calendar there always seems to be more âdown timeâ than enough, when they could be running courses.
Both of these were as practical as any ATF course, maybe not marching around or doing lead tasks, but nevertheless practical. I havenât been on many training courses which jut require sitting and listening, conferences and symposia yes, not courses.
[quote=âShadowâ post=7689]New version is on Ultilearn :)[/quote]Can anyone here tell me roughly when v1.02 was uploaded to Ultilearn?
Was Wed/Thur, the date of release is stated on the amendment page so I would assume that was the date of upload.
So how do we address this new white tab?