[quote=“mr black” post=8443]Why would you have to be known as SNCO/Sgt cdt etc ? Officer cadets are a formal post within the RAF hence we have taken followed suit for our officers
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As is the RAF non-commissioned NCA rank of Aircrew Cadet…existing as in a pre-qual/pre-Sergeant rank.
Seems logical, but maybe slightly dated. There seems to be a reluctance these days within most uniformed service to refer to Acting when it comes to probationary/training ranks (hence perhaps the end of Acting Plt Off VRT, and the adoption of Off Cadet?). Acting ranks now only appear to apply to rank when it’s awarded above subtantive. That’s my own explanation, but I’m betting there’s something formal to that effect lurking somewhere in a low-numbered DIN or JSP.
That always was an interim measure, though. In fairness, so is the use of the wider Offr-pattern ones, pending the production of these new ‘shadow chevron’ slides.
[quote=“mr black”]I also have 2 new Sgts on my unit and on the first night were both congratulated and saluted a couple of times before i had chance to explain on first parade
The main problem arises when you have officer cadets and new Sgts in a room in blues with no headdress … very difficult to spot who is who at a distance[/quote]
Yes…the solution to that one will of course be the new U/T blue chevrons, and perhaps a future amendment to the regs regarding Off Cadets slides, such that they’d include a Plt Offr braid down the centre. That’d reflect the point that Off Cdts RAFVR(T) are pre-commissioned, whereas OCs RAFVR(UAS) are uncommissioned.
[size=5]Sgt Cdt[/size] rankslide … Or will it be a SNCO Staff rankslide…?
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There is a cheaper way, there was one pattern of NCO rank slides which were perfect negative images inside out, with no loose threads at all. (not like the recent cheap ones)
[quote=“zinggy” post=8948]I had a chat with the WWO here at the weekend he did say that the whole white tab thing was a huge muck up which we already knew…
He did also say that within the next month or so it will be Sgt rank tabs with a white tab above why this wasnt done first off I have no idea.[/quote]
Maybe it was a cunning plan… Bring something in temporarily which is so ridiculous a solution that we welcome the intended result with open arms?
“10. On appointment, SNCOs will be required to wear white tabs below their rank slides, to indicate they have yet to attend ATF and complete their mandatory training. Only on successful completion of the course may the white tabs be removed. This requirement does not affect the 12-month probationary period which remains.”
I am assuming that “below their rank slides” means lower down the epaulette and not inside the slide as an inner layer
[quote=“incubus” post=10011]The wording of para 10 is now:
“10. On appointment, SNCOs will be required to wear white tabs below their rank slides, to indicate they have yet to attend ATF and complete their mandatory training. Only on successful completion of the course may the white tabs be removed. This requirement does not affect the 12-month probationary period which remains.”
I am assuming that “below their rank slides” means lower down the epaulette and not inside the slide as an inner layer :)[/quote]
Great, Cracking, Which one do they put the ATC badges in?
From what I remember being told recently by ATF any Sgt not to have attened the course is to waer the white tab beneath the sgt tapes, the ATC pin is to be worn at the edge of the White Tab.
As to No1s or No5 s the Pre ATF sgt is NOT to wear any thing other than No2 and Beret. Definately no SD hat
interesting question. I know of an officer cadet in my wing last year who borrowed my No5s with wing cos permission. (He obviously having no no.1s having not been to Cranwell) But i have no doubt that was wrong and shall soon be told so.
[quote=“thetopcat69” post=10298]As to No1s or No5 s the Pre ATF sgt is NOT to wear any thing other than No2 and Beret. Definately no SD hat[/quote]I can’t find that backed up by any regulations - is this a local ruling someone has made? Is it intended to exclude them from wearing No3 dress?
Certainly sounds that way. I’ve seen a bit of paperwork that says that they should wear the white tabs with ATC pins in place of sergeant stripes - other than that, it would seem that they follow the same sergeant’s dress regs as any other, as per AP1358C.
