What pouches do you need for you webbing

No. Not on my watch anyway.

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For PLCE I’d read the ammo pouches as a double on each side, the singles are rare and putting a double on one side and utility on the front is possible but not comfortable in the prone position. A lot of regulars cut the attachment points off the utility anyway.

Stick with one attachment system. If you have two singles, you have one double.

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That sounds ok. I’d put the double mag on the left and sharpshooter on the right - maybe with one single mag, you won’t be overloading it as the Osprey pouches are smaller than PLCE. If your local Fieldcraft instructor is very strict and says take the extra mag pouch off, just do so.

Your utility pouches are fine but you need a water bottle pouch, a ‘58’ pattern water bottle won’t go in the Osprey utility ones. It should go in the LMG pouch, but I’ll check later. Otherwise there are lots of molle canteen pouches out there.

If you can get a 6 point PLCE yoke you can fit D rings on your battle belt and it will be more stable and comfortable than the one you have, which is designed for use with body armour. You can pick up a PLCE yoke (main webbing not side pouches) for about a fiver.

I have got my 58 water bottle fits in the water bottle pouch which I have

Sorry - I misunderstood. I wouldn’t know the difference tbh, so would be quite happy…

My brain wasn’t working this morning. Some might argue it rarely does :stuck_out_tongue:

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You didn’t say you had a water bottle pouch, good drills crack on!

Oh I thought I did but I do and it has my mess tins in as they don’t fit very well in one of the others

Small mess tin in webbing big one in day sack or Bergan?

Daysack.

Belt-kit is bullets and water, mapping and Comms, with biscuits, a pouch meal and sweets to keep you on your feet for 24 hours. Depending on your environment you might stick a windshirt or waterproofs in if that’s what’s necessary to keep you alive.

Daysack is brew kit, more food, more ammunition, batteries for Comms/GPS/optics, a softie jacket, and a basha, a bivvy bag and jungle weight sleeping bag.

Bergen is more food, more fuel, spare socks, more batteries, spare baselayer, wash kit (toothbrush, toothpaste, tiny bottle of liquid soap/shampoo), and microfibre towel.

Belt-kit should keep you fighting for one day and alive for two, daysack should keep you fighting for two days and alive for four, bergen should keep you alive and moderately comfortable for 10-14 days.

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Sounds like you lot (various contributors of comments above) are off to war!
Maybe you should go join the Reserve Forces.

And this is a helpful post how exactly?

I’m a farmer mate, if I want to get paid for being cold and wet I walk out of my door.

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It just seems to me that as we are a cadet organisation we should not be giving a fig about what type of adornments to dress ourselves up as commandos are acceptable, after all we are not taking the children into combat; are we?

No, but we do have a duty to make sure people aren’t hurting themselves by carrying more than they can reasonably cope with.

We’re also not going to be killing anyone with a rifle but we still teach marksmanship principles and how to use a rifle safely. We’re unlikely to enter the Olympics but have athletics competitions.

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As pEp said, the regulations on what webbing can be used are to limit what is carried by cadets, so we don’t break them.

The reason we only need one double ammo pouch, and not two doubles, is because cadets don’t need that much ammo.

(Anyway, everyone knows that ammo pouches are for flasks.)

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Actually, it’s about teaching cadets - and ideally, CFAV - about how to think about the environment they are in and the activities they are undertaking and to make good decisions about what equipment, clothing and food they should have with them, what they can not bother with, and how far they can be from equipment, clothing and food that they aren’t actually carrying.

Its about teaching them to think for themselves about the decisions they make, and how to make different decisions for different circumstances - two hours in a local park shouting ‘bang’ requires different decisions from 10 hours at Sennybridge in April, which requires different decisions from 48 hours at Garelochhead in November.

If you didn’t know that, then perhaps you should learn - then you can be a better cadet leader and teacher…

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Also, you give out or permit the use of a piece of kit, it follows that we should teach the correct usage of that kit within the scope of its intended purpose - this is “operations/exercise” equipment with a specific role in those environments…

Survive out of your smock
Fight out of your webbing
Live out of your bergen

A more simplified version of your excellent description above - it’s about prioritising what you carry and where you carry it, to limit overall weight as much as possible.

From your list, I’d make caveats that cadets on exercise aren’t likely to need the doss bag in their daysack, substitute bivvy bag for survival bag/blankey if they will be exercising even slightly remotely, and ditch the basha if not going far. Although on small training exercises, they shouldn’t need more than their spare water, waterproofs, and warm kit in a daysack…

And obviously no one is carrying any bomb without gats :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Correction… mars bars and flapjacks.

I’d probably go the other way, sharpshooter pouch is bigger making it easier to get 2 mags in when in the prone and doing an unload. The number of mags someone could carry doesn’t equal the amount they will be issued so may as well make life easier to put them away properly.

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Never heard of an “ammo pouch mars bar” (oh, what a thing of beauty that would be), but I have heard of an “ammo pouch flask”…

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