I dont think the question was about carrying over cadet wings.
I read it as allowing those with flying licences to wear wings.
Perhaps the elementary flying wings (Budgie wings) UAS get, would be appropriate?
Only question then would be PPL and above or CPL and above… or even ATPL and above.
Wouldnt seem to make that much difference as it’s a badge in the regs already and for non service flying anyway.
Plus it’s the lowest of the low badge. The Regulars could hardly complain.
Frankly change AP1358 also and allow any PPL holders in the RAF to wear the elementary flying wings too! I mean the RAF let alone RAFAC is an air minded organisation!
None of this impacts me personally. But it’s an interesting question.
As an aside, I certainly wouldnt advocate randomly allowing cadet badges on CFAV uniforms. Nope. Never.
Very slippery slope.
although i am not familiar with that badge i think if it went anywhere this is the best and only compromise.
regardless of quals be it PPL or ATPL or anything and everything in between it recognises skills outside of the organisation. adding a distinction into that then gets messy and becomes more like the blue, bronze, silver gold of PTS and becomes laughable
This, at least for now. There were arguments on both sides but as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there are other things that could be argued should be carried over too.
but if the situation does move to a non-RAF qualification can be worn on an RAF uniform situation let it simply be at the lowest level - the suggested UAS badge
be happy there is acknowledgement of additions skills/knowledge/experience
there is a worry that it might become walty otherwise with a PPL holder wearing the same wings as a 4000 hours Typhoon pilot and claiming their the “same”.
Although i recognise there is an argument for other qualifications, which would open the flood gates, to be worn, none of those are already worn by the RAF.
there is no such badge recognising DofE as the mentioned example for the regulars but there is a badge recognising pilot attitude/skills/experience by the way of a badge so it isn’t difficult to see why people would like to see an existing award to be modified to accommodate similar skills in the same area.
there is a valid argument for the medical professional CFAVs to wear the appropriate label badge on their No1s - the reserves for instance who recruit qualified civilians into the same military role are not trained by the military to be Drs or nurses before do so…(indeed i know a qualified nurse who then decided to join up and was fast tracked through recruitment process and was wearing the label pin at their passing out parade (ie before phrase 2 training) as their were already qualified)
the counter argument to that is those individuals are conducting a medical role in both civilian and military life - CFAVs are not both (hobby) pilots in both civilian life and CFAV roles
The PFB is awarded for completing a smaller scale (and slightly watered down) version of the elementary flying training syllabus. This is not comparable to a PPL - and they are different types of flying.
I’m not close enough to the trade to know the differences, but I have heard many an RAF QFI say that PPL holders have to unlearn “bad habits” (their terminology, in reference to military flying Vs civilian flying) in order to meet the RAF’s standards.
if they were so bad I am sure the CAA would have stopped them.
this is a fair point…but as I say a happy compromise.
an alternative is the single wing brevet like the Navigator style badge…something like the below but rather than “N” with “C” in it to denote “civilian”
That will be the RAF thinking it’s a cut above and being spesh.
There are more PPLs than RAF pilots and as said if the PPLs were that bad something would be done.
You can correlate this to the RAF throwing a teenage hissy wrt to us sourcing our own flying for cadets.
