Fine if you have a small unit, bit more difficult if you have a large unit. Harder still if you have a large family and fill your home bins on a fortnightly basis. This is a simple fix HQAC have sorted for those who had significant difficulty in this area - for example those units who can’t have bins or skips because they would be behind the gate and won’t be emptied/need a commercial contract.
Get over it people. It was a good thing it was sorted.
My local tip - like many - will not take trade waste. There is a different site for trade waste.
So… This Waste Carriers Licence now means that Sqns can legally transport our waste to the special sites and pay to dump it as trade… As opposed to going to the amenity tip and, at the very worst saying “I’m clearing out the garage”, to dump it for free. 
You’d only get away with that for so long, as most places operate ANPR systems now.
Though, that does go back to what others have said - It absolutely depends on how much your dumping.
It’s a “system” that we’ve “gotten away with” for the last 25 years.
For us, general refuse - A bin bag of recycling and a Tesco bag of rubbish every week is easily taken home by the OC or other staff and thrown into our own bins without issue.
If we clear out the stores or something then it’s a one-off day of trips to the dump. Easily sorted.
Whenever we’ve had anything really big to clear (about twice in the last 20 years) we’ve gone via wing and SERFCA have hired a skip.
One would have to be regularly dumping a shed-load of junk to warrant a Waste Carriers License or to get into bother by taking it to the amenity tip.
This has to be aimed at higher levels than the average Sqn.
I fail to see what we as an organisation are producing in terms of rubbish that is so very different from the average household. Paper, card, tins, wrappers are all household waste. Even clothing (old uniform), when one of my uncles died my cousins took a lot of his old clothes (things charity shops didn’t want) to their tip and put it in the fabrics skip.
We’ve taken old electrical items to the tip from the squadron and no one has questioned it.
As for APNR that’s to check that you live in the area covered by the facility. Our local tip has it and people from outside the area get turned away. I’ve gone back two or three times in a day when we do the garden twice a year, and when we’ve got ride of old furniture no questions asked. We have a garden waste bin but it’s not big enough for what we cut off. The petrol for a few trips is cheaper than even the diddies.
Very much so.
You realise that there’s a difference between what you can get away with doing and what you’re allowed to do?
ANPR checking you live in the area? Utter rubbish. There’s no way a council system would know where you live. Police ANPR is reserved for criminal intelligence, not selling to the tip.
I’d imagine that the utility of an ANPR system would be limited to seeing which vehicles attend regularly (and singling them out for closer inspection) and identifying vehicles that have been banned.
I can’t believe that HQAC have fixed an actual real world issue and you lot are still moaning.
Regardless of how much, what it is or how well you know the local tip, it’s the source of the waste that causes you problems. Same reason we don’t have a bin collection - it’s commercial waste and we don’t pay council tax so don’t get a normal collection.
Now we just need to arrange for someone to collect sanitary bins (which frankly astounds me that we’ve gotten away with for so long. That’s actual clinical waste). Unless of course there is a collection that I just don’t know about…
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Hate to break it to you but it is capable of doing that, it won’t have access to the police database but they can pay for access to the DVLA database which will tell them who the registered keeper is and where they live.
I disagree. They can only apply for the data retrospectively to enforce a matter. They won’t be able to get live data capable of telling them if a user is local. Plus, as you will know, there’s a whole heap of difference between the RK and where the driver lives (think lease vehicles). Read the DVLA information on bulk datasets which is available online (the information on what can be supplied)
Keep on topic please.
This is on topic. It’s a strain of discussion rebutting an excuse given to a reason as to why HQAC had to apply for this carrier license. But point noted.
I’m not sure I’d say that this was “moaning” by anyone.
It’s more of a confused discussion. Encouraged by the fact that this Waste Carrier’s Licence was just dumped onto Bader with - certainly in our wing - absolutely no communication whatsoever. I only happened upon it by accident this evening whilst logging in to look for something else.
I’d hazard a guess that our HQ doesn’t know about it at all.
One can’t help but wonder why? Where does it apply? What are we supposed to do with it? What are we not supposed to be doing?
It might be a solution to a real world problem… But HQAC don’t appear to have bothered to explain any of this to us at all.
Now there’s a point to consider.
I used to have a free collection of clinical waste weekly from my home when I was carer for my grandmother.
So obviously there is scope to have it collected.
If you are one of the handful of units banging on about this, you will know what to do with it. If you become a unit who needs this, you now know where to find it and it will be useful. If you are neither, chill out, move on, forgot you saw it, and stop wasting your breath on here for a nothing situation.
It must be rosy within the Air Training Corps, given that someone has the time to devote to a non problem like this.
We must be up to 100% delivery of flying, gliding with all sites fully operational and so on. Oh wait a minute …
If people are stupid enough to take rubbish home or to the tip and say I bought this from my ATC sqn, then if you are that dim, you only have yourself to blame if you get into problems. I would think 100% of councils and landowners are thankful that you are doing this and not fly-tipping or creating problems for vermin, to worry about a few bags of canteen rubbish and paper/card etc being put into civic amenities or household bins. What do other youth groups and clubs do?
You’re an idiot.
Just because there are other problems, doesn’t mean this isn’t one.
It’s not illegal to not provide opportunities for cadets. It is potentially illegal to dump waste from a business source posing as domestic waste.
Sometimes I’m embarrassed to say we’re in the same organisation.
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This was probably, an hours work completed by someone who has no ability to resolve the flying/gliding issues to which you refer.
All that’s missing is an explanation to go alongside it
I get the feeling people at HQAC are looking for a problem.
Has anyone in the ATC in last 20-25 years been prosecuted for taking a bag or two of rubbish home or dispose of things at a local tip. If there had been this would have raised its head a long, long time ago, accompanied by blanket emails from all corners saying stop while we sort it out and HQAC inventing another raft of paperwork. This isn’t something that has ever came up at a COs Conference, which would be the normal forum for problems people are facing, even if over tea and biccies or lunch.
If I’m an idiot for wanting HQAC to concentrate their efforts on core activities and rectifying the problems we encounter with them, rather than peripheral matters that might affect WHQ and RHQ where the civil servants won’t have the nous to do something for themselves and get themselves in a knot about it, so be it.
I’ll carry on doing what we’ve done for more years than I care to think about.
You are the only person looking for problems.
And just because it hasn’t happened in the past doesn’t mean it won’t in future. You’d be the first on here whingeing if someone had been prosecuted that “HQAC should have seen this problem and some something about it years ago just like at work/my home/whatever other rubbish you normally spout” (no pun intended). Now they’ve done something about it you’re whingeing because the person who did it, who will have no power or ability to fix flying or other bigger problems, hasn’t done what you think is important.
Move on. Leave. Find a new hobby. Go outside and smell the flowers. Do something that makes you happy because the ATC sure as hell doesnt.
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