the delicious, sweet irony of someone taking time out of their day - a busy day filled with going to work to pay the mortgage, answering endless cretinous emails about running a youth club, throwing some dinner down their throat before going out at 6.15pm to spend 3 hours looking after other peoples children and trying to remember your own childrens names - to complain about someone wearing the wrong type of shirt.
and then using the word ‘COC’.
instead of investigating an endless stream of emails complaining about people wearing this or that - with the exception perhaps of flying suits, SAS berets, wings, daggers, Marshall of the RAF rank tabs etc… why don’t you ignore such sad little people?
the delicious, sweet irony of someone taking time out of their day - a busy day filled with going to work to pay the mortgage, answering endless cretinous emails about running a youth club, throwing some dinner down their throat before going out at 6.15pm to spend 3 hours looking after other peoples children and trying to remember your own childrens names - to complain about someone wearing the wrong type of shirt.
and then using the word ‘COC’.
instead of investigating an endless stream of emails complaining about people wearing this or that - with the exception perhaps of flying suits, SAS berets, wings, daggers, Marshall of the RAF rank tabs etc… why don’t you ignore such sad little people?[/quote]
I hear you, but part of my TOR’s is to answer them, look after AP1358c
Taking all the dress regs aside, someone mentioned comfort? They arent exactly comfy at all? How anyone can say it is, I will never understand. Especially if your going to wear a jacket. Just wear a good base layer or a t shirt or a unit sweatshirt “but wicking blah blah blah” Not exactly going to be strenuous activity now is it.
As for padding, the new UBACS (which are all MTP no big block of solid colour) dont come with any, although does have the ability to. I chatted to some INM staff and the reason was the forearms are useful for regulating heat and by padding them it acts as insulation and stops the body able to regulate.
Fun fact of the day.
Under Body Armour Clothing System.
Clue is in the name.
We are just flogging a dead horse here.
Dont wear them, or at the very least, dont get caught.
[quote=“angus” post=18810]its a book, it will survive. if not, its just a book - and lets be fair, its not one of the great peices of english literature…
you need a new role, send a very rude email telling people to get a grip of themselves, then jump in a minibus and take the kids out for a weekend.[/quote]
Angus I really do hear you, but the Cmdt tasked the RWO/WWO with looking after and upholding the AP1358c - yes its flawed but then so is AP818. But we are watched by the parent service, that aside I still ignore the silly rants and make sure the cadets have a good time, take them to AEF etc, etc. Enough Said.
It would be nice if the mods finally locked this - a lot of threads over a lot of pages - UBACS is a no go - we only just got authority from the parent service to wear MTP, lets not ruin it.
[quote=“RearAdmiralScrinson” post=18811]screw it, let the kids drive the minibus.
If we are just going to ignore some rules, why not others.[/quote]
because, as most functioning adults have worked out, some rules are important and some aren’t. as an example, letting a 14 yo drive a minbus is likely to get everyone on that minibus killed. someone wearing the wrong shirt, in a shed, in feild, has absolutely no consequences for anyone whatsoever.
see, important, not important, important, not important. you’ll get the hang of it eventually.
They are all important, though the consequences of disobeying them do vary.
Some are also very very simple to follow, even when out of the public eye.
So, people, your goal is to just do as you are told and follow all of the rules (and be seen doing so) - do that and things will be dandy.
Yes, even the ones that aren’t there to preserve life.
If there is an issue with some of those rules, escalate it ant maybe the rule will be changed.
I think that in this aspect context is everything. Is a UBAC acceptable in barracks or cutting around camp? Clearly not. But on exercise I fail to see the problem.
There is a huge amount of scope on exercise for what works for you being what’s best and as I have pointed out, a lot of those things are not in the rules, I know that’s similar to the pink tutu argument, but it’s not that black and white.
The photo, if you look at it, has been taken in a barn. The other photos show everyone on the ACO’s first M Qual Course. On exercise, in a training area. (Beckingham I believe) I fail to see the issue with it in that context.
The main issue there is that there is a photograph of it and that they used it as publicity.
Yes, a little flexibility for welfare purposes when working away on your own thing is no reason to throw a wobbly, but when someone then goes on to publish those images you are going to run into trouble.
What they should have done of course is sorted out their uniform then taken the photos. This crew aren’t the first to fall foul of lack of this kind of schoolboy error and alas they won’t be the last. However, we have dress regulations to follow and standards to uphold and when it makes it into the public eye, either directly or in the media, then not only do senior people start to ask questions and cause a ruckus, but squadrons may make the incorrect assumption that it is OK for them to follow suit. It also diminishes us in the eyes of those members of the public in the know.