Wonder when Fort Zhukov, Camp Rommel, & Fort Howe are being announced?
Bit harsh as Lee was a well regarded American general who seemed to have more sane & reasonable than some of this more modern followers.
The name change is at least a restoration of a long established name rather than a new facility.
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He was also a Traitor, they might as well have Fort Benedict Arnold.
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Only because he lost (and history is written by the victors). In London I believe we have statues of both Oliver Cromwell and Charles I.
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He’s a Traitor because he declined Command of his countries army and instead fought against it. Even if he had won he still would’ve been a traitor in the US.
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Again, Oliver Cromwell has a statue in London …
From I read it was he was more loyal to his state than the federal Union & declined a commission with them rather than defecting like Arnold did.
There’s a bit about how afterwards he tried promote healing was against monuments to the confederancy so perhaps a rebel rather than a traitor similar to the jacobites.
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Yes, but the Jacobites were definitely traitors …
He was the victor though.
It’s just, after he died we all decided to give the whole king thing another chance.
It was only named after Lee in 1917, right in the middle of the daughters of the confederacy rewriting history. The name was very much a message to the federal government an Virginias Black populace
And Zhukov was a war hero in the fight against the Nazi’s, Rommel was regarded as a “Clean Nazi” during and after the war ( his reputation was also used to justifying the re-armmement of W Germany against the soviets)
My point is that these were all enemy officers at one point or another, only difference is that Lee’s war led to the death of 365,000 US soldiers (second only to WW2), but his war led to the death of the most american(US and CS) in a war.
I was going to say Arnold instead of Howe But thought he was too niche of a character
Was a traitor to the crown, not the nation. I am inclined to agree with the Roundheads on the idea that CIR was a traitor to the nation, And that Cromwell left the place better than he found it ( sans jr )
Definitely not traitors to the crown though…
J(II/ VII)R was the King, and the glorious revolution was exactly that, a revolution. Parliament was to comfortable playing Kingmaker IMO
Already covered by @Rusty, but Charles I was executed as a traitor but was restored to the status of a former monarch and venerated as a saint of the Anglican Church (possibly their only saint that isn’t simply borrowed from Roman Catholicism).
Do we need a history of the monarchy thread or are you guys able to swing this back to talking about more modern things like the second reign of the first king of the USA?
I appreciate the jump off was relevant, but we’re beyond that now, so back to the topic please.
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Parliament is sovereign, the Jacobites forgot that.
It’s a funny quirk of the US system that the President is more like a King than most actual Kings these days.
I think that’s the thing that has confused the American political landscape when Trump took office. Where he predecessor behaved like an elected government Trump has basically acted like an divine anointed monarch - the American civil service could cope & had checks & balances in place for the former but not the latter (unlike the British civil service who have ways & means of working round difficult monarchs & prime ministers)
The comparison with Charles I are quite apt although due to the American republic apeing the Roman republic, Augustus Caesar may be more appropriate.
I think he wants to be the Emperor myself
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Maybe getting thwarted….,
Trump administration blocked from deploying National Guard to LA Trump administration blocked from deploying National Guard to LA
It’s already been paused pending appeal, on Tuesday.
Can see that one going all the way to the Supreme Court
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Just as Kings rule Kingdoms and Emperors rule Empires, Donald Trump just rules a Country…
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i see what you did there