The demise of the F3822

A conversation on teams made for interesting reading this morning, [Ref plans to no longer print or issue the 3822] I hope more information will be forthcoming soon. Squadrons are actively recruiting now, what are we to give to our new cadets when they are enrolled? we have no books on Squadron, requested more weeks ago and none have arrived.

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They’d get given their 3822 on their phones by the sounds of your screenshot. But I’m not sure how that would go down with kids who are behind and dont have phones, or only have Nokia bricks.

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But that won’t be until the first quarter of 2022, in the meantime they have no F3822. Where we are located, my cadets use their F3822 as ID for access. No F3822 no entry, unless signed in and escorted. Not practical on a nightly basis.

I’m all for progress, I think the organisation is making great strides on the digital front (and filling out F3822’s for new cadets, and those who lose them is tedious) but if we’re out of stock now then I would appreciate information soonest on how we manage cadets with no F3822.

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3822s are not ID. People really need to get that idea out their heads. Yes, places do seem to use it as ID but if that’s the level of security their going for then it’s not needed. It has a photo glued into the front that can be changed by anyone.

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Cadets without a mobile phone will be issued with a membership card which includes a QR card on the back. Scanning this code will reveal personal details, WHT etc.

Save on the duplication of effort and expense of building an app and issue all with a membership card instead. There’s already a process for generating CI membership cards so with a slightly tweaked template a cadet one could be produced.

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Thats a conversation you need to have with your site.
Perhaps a CFAV has to be “on gate” for arrivals and departures. Perhaps you print credit card “I’m an air Cadet” cards (although that has been poopoo’ed in the past). Perhaps you give the MoD Plod/MDGS a nominal roll & and visitor list for each night.

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On a seperate note, an enrollment certificate is available from the Drive here on ACC.

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When I was adj, trying to keep cadets 3822s up to date was a complete admin burden. With Cadet Portal, and then an app made by the RAF, there will be no need for a book and will save a lot of volunteer hours.

Yes, in the mean time there might be issues as they stopped printing before making an app, but hay ho. They aren’t ID and you just printing the cadets a pass and laminating it would be no less secure then using 3822s anyway.

I think this is another good step forward in reducing the amount of physical record keeping/paperwork that we have. Get it all online so it’s easier to manage and sync!

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I always worked “you keep your own book upto date” as the way I did it. Staff doing it was just too much work.

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this is actually stated in the book. I am sure it is on the page they sign…

"i promise to be a good cadet and the rest

…i understand this record book is my responsibility to ensure is an accurate record"

or wording to that effect.

any CFAV who is filling out a F3822 more than a signature against an event the Cadet has filled in is doing too much/has too much time on their hands

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More I think about it, I cant see it being an issue there being no 3822.

Things which concerned me however…

Poor comms on the plan.

Lack of handover strategy. Cadets will be caught in the interim with no 3822 and no alternative.

A true awareness of workload and impact at Sqn level.

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Sounds like your boss needs to have a grown up conversation with whoever your liaison is to find a working system going forward.

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Geez, give them a chance - it’s not out yet!

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But they’ve already actioned part of the plan, stopping the printing of 3822’s :wink:

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Which has been communicated to WHQs and OC Wgs, sounds like a local issue

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and yet we’re supposed to have a systerm whereby changes are announced via IBN . . .

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Not been officially communicated where I am just a count of the 3822’s that the Sqns hold.

It’s been officially announced on SharePoint (Valuing our Volunteers Site) by RC(North)

I know we live in a throwaway world of electronic files, especially music and pictures that can be lost forever in a mouse click, the idea of binning 3822s for a few cold emotionless lines of code is robbing cadets of the tangible, physical book storing memories that is found and rekindles them. For the sake of saving a few quid. There are probably areas where more money could be saved and no one would notice.
When we’ve had sqn anniversary do’s a few of us take them which is always fun.

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