STOP 🛑 Car Parking

As a point of information, whilst the post in question is a bit combative/glib the term “balls” (whilst vulgar) has not been regarded a gendered term since the late 90s/early 2000s

A person may consider that they have “balls” regardless of gender & its use should not be used to assume it applies to a single gender. Nor should we assume that someone of a particular gender has or has not “balls”

A colleague (non-military) received a written warning for a similar comment.

Regardless your general point stands. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I have made many comments here (???) and I will ask that we are all careful where gendered language is involved.

If it helps, the post could have used the word ‘courage’ vice the word used.

Hey, by the way, I have loads of courage. I have the courage to do the right things and not the easy things even if that means difficult change.

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Just throwing this in here as otherwise the topic is likely to keep circling around.

The decision has been made - it is not going to be changed because of comments in a web forum.

Even more so the only way the decision will change is with evidence & rationale in a business case evidencing that it can be delivered correctly & safely.

It’s frustrating, it makes people angry but in order to move forward & to stand any chance of the activity (the pausing of which I am in agreement with) being reapproved the debate needs to be progressed through the admin process

You can’t beat the system but you can use the system to best itself.

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If I may, I agree with your general perspective regarding change and change management. The clear difference here is that I am (I hope) clearly willing to engage and discuss as my way of smoothing the change curve.

I will also reiterate my previous comments ie it is ok to disagree…it really is. I am also very willing to hear differences of opinion. That’s how we grow.

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Seems what you did was pretty easy to me.

You said, no, everyone had to stop. Easy.

What was hard was dealing with it at the sharp end, ringing up local events at the last minute and letting them down. Cancelling activities because units now couldn’t afford them.

At least you then followed up your decision with an explanatory brief and an apology for appreciating that the impact of your decision would cause hardship.

Oh, wait…

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This shows a clear lack of empathy for and awareness of the work we do as CFAVs, and it’s pretty disappointing (but not surprising) to see. Genuine question: do you or the Comdt risk assess the ability for the organisation to continue to deliver activities at the scale and quality we do now in the future? And if so, where does the risk of low CFAV morale fit into that?

For what it’s worth, I find it quite funny that you are, in your words, “one of the most experienced risk practitioners in the RAF” yet you are unable to mitigate the risks of an activity such as this one that has been deemed acceptable to previous AOCs, has a low accident record, is undertaken by similar organisation etc.

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Just going to shamelessly quote myself here.

The money is important and with less being supplied by the system than ever before it will become more important going forward. However, it is also about community engagement. Really important that We are seen in the community and not just by potential cadets but also by the local great and the good. I have been involved with the ATC for 40 years supported lots of events and never come close to an accident or incident. I still don’t understand why we have all been tarred with a brush where one unit was not up to standard. A pilot does something wrong he is grounded spoken to and if necessary retrained. Why are we all permanently grounded?

With all due respect sir, and not telling you how to do your job but if you could nail this in the remainder of your tenure, im pretty confident the RAFAC would be set up for success. Like ive hinted at i do change management in multi million pound organisations for my day job and the way the organisation approaches it is nothing but frustrating, and no where near what one would call industry or best practice (probably the military way of doing things though) couple that with no clear communication strategy in the organisation it all comes across as knee jerk reactions…maybe this is the root cause of FOIs against the org? The collective We need to do the basic things better as change impacts everyone and everyone has a part to play.

Lets take parking for example it was delivered to the organisation as just stop it, as no part of that there was no scene setting, no reason for change it was just delivered to the volunteers as a simple no. To put it simply we dont communicate the reason and why for change properly to get buy in.

Albeit i have questioned for sometime on the morality of kids being used to marshall cars, but thats me and maybe rightly or wrongly, i just accepted it because weve done it for 40+ years

By the nature of the organisation not every one will be up for change but we arent helping ourselves in setting that change up for success and embedding the change.

The worst part of this is the reliance on this forum to suggest ideas and vent, because if you try and use the chain of command theres so much resistance and even instances of disciplinary action fot even suggesting change…and im 99.9% sure members of this org will back me up on that very bold statemeny. We need to really look at communication channels both upwards and downwards and really apply a RACI model against. Because its a series of empires layered on top of one another with no form of cohesion between them.

But alas, this org isnt my trainset.

Hopefully this post doesnt come across as wingey and moaney but ive tried to remain constructive, balanced and suggest bigger picture solutions rather than moaning that we cant do car parking anymore.

If you want to discuss further and unlike the majority of this forum i dont hide behind an alias so have nothing to hide or loose so drop me an email and im willing to engage, support and provide an insights to help drive this org forwards.

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@Cab:

Several people have asked for the objective evidence-based processes as to why car marshalling is seen as dangerous, & just as importantly, what processes could be introduced so that the assessed risk can be brought down to what is seen as ALARP / acceptable.

Why is this not feasible please?

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Alex,

I’m just commenting to second everything you’ve said here. As you know, I’ve also been highly experienced in risk management and know what I’m seeing despite so-called assurance that a risk owner isn’t attempt to eliminate a risk rather than reduce it to ALARP.

The general theme that I find from Cab’s comments are that risk management in the civilian world isn’t conducted the right way, in his opinion.

What the comments do suggest is something many of us have stated on here over the past few years quite a number of times; senior leaders responsible for RAFAC, for whatever reason, forget that we’re SMEs in the civilian world. We know when we’re witnessing “male cow excrement”

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You were warned earlier.

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The Hollywood depiction of a highly decorated senior fighter pilot in the twilight of their career: Surviving against the odds flying suicide missions to prevent rogue states becoming nuclear-capable.

The reality: having to spend your Saturday evening bogged down on an internet forum in a to-do with naffed off volunteers about risk-assessing car parking duties, against the back drop of government cuts.

I don’t think this is going to inspire a script for another Top Gun sequel, unless maybe they get Ken Loach to direct it (“Top Gun III- I, Pete Mitchell” perhaps?)

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Might take you up on that offer Sir. It’s probably the only way I’ll get to an AEF this year!

I think you’ve somewhat missed the point.

The money is an issue for sure. But it’s the implementation, the lack of empathy, the knock on impact to reputation and relationships and if you’re in the south west, the fact you might have renegotiated a role with no car parking only for a week later to have to pull out completely. It’s the embarrassment that those making these decisions don’t have to deal with and never will, but foist upon the mere mortals having to enact their whims. That is why there are 430+ posts.

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This.

No OF 6 or 7 has to deal with local committees or do gooders hammering on at you when we have to pull out at no cause of our own.

Nor do they have to deal with the local reputational damage or long lasting bitterness that can result.

One day a do-gooder is the next a letter writting maniac…

Remember these people who run fetes etc are often highly ‘focused’ individuals.

Im sure the CoC would love the opportunity to engage with them all.

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But it isn’t going to change, so explain the reason (even as simple as policy change - don’t need to go in-depth) and say we do want to help, what other areas do you need assistance in.

Just because you can’t do car parking doesn’t mean you can’t still help at the event. See my earlier post about what we did to switch (although it was 2018 as staff we choose to stop car parking.

You’ve missed this bit for the SW:

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It doesn’t. It stands for Air Cadets Paused!

It was never about the money for me.
What’s got my back up is the fact that we are now at a point, in this diminishing organisation, were one person can wake up and think, “That activity seems a little bit risky to me, I’d better pop into the office and ban it.”

No proper assessment, no consultation…just ban it.

Gone in the blink of an eye and the click of the fingers. Never coming back. That easy.

I will be less frustrated and critical when somebody in the senior management wakes up one day and, instead of adding to the banned list, does something tangible that will result in the return of the following;

  • Parachuting
  • Motor Gliders
  • Air Cadet Pilot Navigation Training Scheme
  • Air Cadet AEF Course
  • Air Operations Acquaintance Center
  • AEF progression through sorties 1-6
  • Regional Aerospace Courses
  • BTEC in Aerospace Studies
  • Sir Michael Knight pilot scholarship
  • Crab football
  • Paragliding
  • The LSW
  • Outdoors drone flying
  • Aircraft recognition
  • Nitex at local country park.
  • Assault courses
  • Microflight flying
  • Popular Flying Association Rallies - where cadets could get seriously close to aircraft by marshalling on the taxiways.
  • Staff drinking post activity
  • VA
  • Car marshalling

P.S. Don’t shoot the message with the above list, it was taken from It's Not What It Used To Be (Lost Activities)