I have seen this at an event I did regularly when on a different unit.
As could be predicted there is a lot of hurry up and wait as we get there in good time. then a trickle of early cars then within 10 minutes it is a flood of cars as the whole county turns up. it makes for a busy morning with little chance for rest breaks or welfare checks if numbers are insufficient - exposure to the weather and lack of sun block did cause some pink faces by lunchtime when the need to direct the traffic all died down.
we learnt from that experience that although we only need X number to make it work, we need an excess to permit for breaks (the trouble being on top of coordinating the car park, we had our own stall and 2-3 other tasks the show wanted us to cover, so it was always a stretch to cover them all sufficiently. We started inviting other units to help after that and became a joint venture
Yep, we used to do Duxford - but built in a suitable plan of an NCO / SNCO in charge of a mini-group, with rotation rest breaks & floating member of staff for welfare checks.
Going back through all the other points, never an incident (but cadets always had a good briefing about risks, not to stand in front of a car as it was moving, etc, etc). Good fund-raising opportunity, engagement with the public, & of course, look round the exhibits / watch the air show for free.
For peteās sake - life itself is a risk !
HQ seems not to be aware of the ATC motto Venture Adventureā¦ or are we just waiting for the delayed comms to announce that it has been changed to āSafety in All thingsā.
All CFAVs will be required to have a NEBOSH qualification next !
My local ACF (Midlands) had stopped doing car parking even pre covid. Said it was because a cadet somewhere had waved car forward (prior to parking). Driver ran into car in front and tried to sue MoD. MOD pointed out that driver should be in control of vehicle so not their concern. ACF then said no more activities involving vehicle movement control. I got the impression it was a national ban
In the past when I have briefed cadets on car parking. I have told them to tell the driver where they need to park and not how to park the car. Never give detailed directions, just point to the spot where they need to be parked.
So Iām guessing weāre not getting any more information on this then, and weāll just have to once again wait for the FOIs to be returned to get any understanding of this ban.
I can see 2 seperate threads on VoP, one of which has 3 other replies with questions.
Itās all well and good being told not to FOI things and to ājust askā instead. But when we get responses like the HQ reply in the gliding thread, and the lack of response at all around this, it is pretty annoying.
You dont need an FOI to understand the ban, the organisation does not want to pay out for any potential claims, no matter how safe you make it, there is always a slim chance that something may go awry. As the MOD provise self indemnity, they do not want to risk using their money to pay for Mrs Miggins car to be repaired because perceivably a cadet parked her on top of a member of the public.
See thatās just wrong. To do car parking for a third party, like a local charity, you already require the event organisers to hold liability insurance that covers us in case there is a claim.
but that all implies the driver of a car is not responsible for their own actions and in control of the vehicle.
yes 99% of car parking is not on the highway and thus car insurance is questionably valid, as is the highway code, but there is still a duty on the vehicle operator (driver) to not be a pratt
Flying and gliding have been made very safe, but there is always a slim chance that something may go awry. Knee jerk reaction requiredā¦BAN IT on Friday afternoon.
Shooting has been made very safe, but there is always a slim chance that something may go awry. Knee jerk reaction requiredā¦BAN IT on Friday afternoon.
Having fun has been made very safe, but there is always a slim chance that something may go awry. Knee jerk reaction requiredā¦BAN IT on Friday afternoon.
Get that, but does it cover everything (would hope so) or is it just 3rd party and therefore injured cadet = MOD indemnity. All too complicated than it should be. Either way the doors are definitely shut and bolted and would not expect a reversal ofcthe decisions, and no dpubt other activities now be looked atcin the same way.
Yep but flying gliding and shooting are part of what we should be doing, perceivable car parking marshalling is not in their eyes. Obviously car parking marshalling is more of an enabling activity which the financial losses will be felt at ground level more than at the higher echelons.
