Red Arrows relocation to RAF Waddington

Issue with a Typhoon display team would be the same that the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds have - the display is too fast for anything tight and they need huge long passes which would create long gaps where nothing happens.

I’d rather see them get some Tucanos back and have a really dynamic 5-ship display. Would be a hell of a lot cheaper, too.

Interestingly the regulations regarding the restriction only apply when the Aerodrome is open for use by the team. If the aerodrome is shut then it can’t be open for the team & a new navigation order will need be issued.

Just a thought - what’s based at RAF Machrihanish these days?

Might keep the pilots out of trouble…

Otherwise move them to Valley & have all the hawks in one place. They can practice over the Irish sea

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Closed in 2012, but is still an airport.

Why not have them at Cranwell? They’d at least be on hand for all the grad parades.

Nice thought but not many fixed references at sea which the team use to align up with, hence Bournemouth has a RN ship moored at a known location at sea for reference

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Or go back further and return to Kemble

I’ve often said the Frecce are a stunt team, the RAFAT are a display team.
Its a different style of flying which comes with a different level of entertainment.

I do get what you’re saying though. Visually the reds are precise but everyone else tend to be entertaining/exciting in comparison accepting the compromise that a degree of precision is missing

This is particularly true:

The blades have a reputation only of exRed pilots and that comes with a level of expectation so why not throw it around?

Seconded.
That year the Thunderbirds visit RIAT a mate timed the duration of empty sky…2 minutes was the longest which is a crazy long time for nothing to be seen during a display

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Red Arrow - provisional trg area.

Whilst listed as “potentially suitable” - this doesn’t appear to have been thought out very well for deconfliction! :skull_and_crossbones:

Rubbish - deconfliction is easy!

Reds: Hi. Is this 644?

644: Speaking.

Reds: We’re training today. Hope you don’t have plans.

644: Well, actually, we have a bunch of cadets …
Interrupting
Reds: Thank you for your understanding. Have a great day.
Line goes dead

644: sighs Better cancel again then.

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That would be reality if they used Syreston

I remember being on the radio at my gliding club at 15. Red 1 radioed asking if we had gliders up or if they should go the “long way” round to get to Elvington. Had to tell them to go the long way as we had quite a few up at the time.
Though I imagine with a designated training area they wouldn’t be so understanding

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Good airmanship on display there.

But yes, different matter asking if you can pass above a civvy gliding site as a one-off vs a somewhat permanent “agreement”.

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From this week until 17 April 2023, aircraft from the Royal Air Force Aerobatic Team are permitted to train over RAF Syerston.

This is to enable two jets from the team – known as the Synchro Pair – to carry out UK-based training, before the Red Arrows move overseas to complete their traditional pre-season work-up in more settled weather conditions.

RAF Scampton will remain the primary training airspace for the Red Arrows throughout this period, with the team’s home and main operating base being RAF Waddington. The team requires different airspace sites depending on what type of training is needed to be completed.

In accordance with UK regulation, feedback on the activity will be undertaken through electronic communication. Please use the email address below:

WAD-Station-Enquiries@mod.gov.uk

Further details of the airspace change proposal are here:

Airspace change proposal public view

I believe the disruption at Syerston will be minimal for gliding ops… 1 or 2 short slots a day if needed.
Re 644 …I guess hardly affected as most of their op’s will be at the weekend …and the Reds don’t practice then!
I think the major problem is the Spectators it will be encouraging there!

Think of the free publicity to 644 Sqn and the spotter opportunities from them! :joy::rofl:

was that not an issue at Scampton?

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Yep, but now they will be at Syerston clogging up the A46

Any more pesting and the Red Arrows will be able to train in my back garden…

I still think that the proposed plan B, (move to RAF Wittering and use Cottesmore for display practice), would have made more sense!

What the state are the facilities at Wittering in? It’s not been a flying station since the Harrier force wound down.