Care to elaborate? Assuming the info is not sensitive.
It’s not as if they don’t, but at least we know the rot in senior RAF officers isn’t just in the no marks we get sent our way…
But all this also means it’s far less likely that the RAF will be remotely bothered about “fixing” the air cadets, given they can’t run their own train set properly.
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Training;
The Reds;
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I think it’s a safe punt that CAS may be “encouraged to seek further employment elsewhere” soon.
I don’t think he realises the negative impact his wokeness has had on the those currently serving. All these revelations are going to make things worse.
According to the latest survey only 29% of people serving have faith in the appraisal and promotion system I wonder if that number will sink further now the RAF has been caught with its pants down with positive discrimination.
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What actually living in the year 2022…given his execution according to the media seems to be a bit of a car crash…
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And there’s more;
Group Captain resigned her commission over what she believed to be an illegal order.
RAF PR team just got a great Monday morning present…
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If she believed the order to be illegal, then she has done the correct thing under the Nuremberg principles.
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Can she become a Regional Commandant or the next Commandant? She seems to have some integrity which the organisation could do with.
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Recruiting from BAME groups is all well and good, ticks boxes and gets very senior officers the awards they so desperately crave, but there is one massive drawback.
As told to me by someone very well placed within ‘the system’, there is an increased take up from the BAME groups, but an awful lot are subsequently failing their security clearance checks because of their family backgrounds and associations with red listed countries.
The recruiters then have to throw the net out again to repeat the process. Meanwhile, John Smith is sitting at home wondering why he/she can’t get a look in!
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Have you considered that attitudes and posts like yours are the reason the RAF needs to proactively try and recruit non white applicants?
You’ve essentially just equated every single person who is Black, Asian or from a minority ethnicity with being criminals or having a family history of criminality.
I am a little speechless actually, and find it hard to believe that someone in this century genuinely holds that belief. The only other option is you’re trolling, so which is it? Are you a racist or are you a troll?
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What he said was that some are not progressing through the recruitment system until the applicant comes up against background checks, and then they have to be rejected on security grounds. Those security grounds trump all groups not just one.
Same things happen with the police, education and even the NHS when DBS checks comeback and concerns about their backgrounds are shown up.
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No, they said the disadvantage of recruiting BAME candidates over people with “British sounding names” like John Smith is that a lot of their families have criminal histories. Whilst John Smith wouldn’t have that because he’s presumably white and wonderful.
Clearly, anyone can have something come back on a security clearance regardless of ethnicity. That isn’t the issue. The problem with @Turbo’s post is they are saying it is more of a problem with BAME candidates and that John Smith wouldn’t have that problem, the inference being that John Smith is white and that BAME candidates are all criminals.
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So people called ‘John Smith’ have not been flagged up for their backgrounds. When I applied for the RAF in the 80s, my mother’s top manage as Director of Social Services had to give PSS a reference because of my Father’s activities in the 1950s. At that point my father had been dead for four years.
The thing @turbo flagged is that a lot of the applicants are second and third generation immigrants to the UK.
Sorry what are you talking about?
Go and reread the post. If you can’t see what Turbo is saying is inherently racist, maybe you need to work on your own biases.
i think you actually need to see what he’s saying, peoples histories are difficult to check at the best of times.
To be fair someone who is a second generation from an Afghan background is more likely to have family links to known terrorists than someone from a family that’s been settled in England, Scotland or Wales (NI being a different situation) for hundreds of years and those families are more likely to be white. That could cause problems with a security check, though it isn’t necessarily an auto bar.
Likewise proportionally black boys are more likely to have criminal convictions than white boys (Annual statistics: a youth justice system failing Black children - GOV.UK). Very few people will argue these days that it’s because black people are inherently naughty. We need to continue to resolve problems with economic inequality, social isolation, and conscious and unconscious bias at all levels of the justice system to change this.
What he was saying may have some truth, but it was put in a rather inelegant way. But this shouldn’t be a barrier, rather than going down the positive discrimination route we should be looking at whether the current system is suitable.
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Ok, I can appreciate I read more into the comment than may have been intended and I’m sorry.
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@pEp you are entitled to your opinion however people interpret your words…
I understand where you’re coming from; this whole thing is all about impression. I’m on Camp at the moment and we have had a visit from the Station staff about SM. This issue has been picked up by the media and blown into a “the RAF are no longer recruiting white” to make a statement. The regulars are in ‘damage limitation’ mode and it has ruffled a lot of feathers.
Jusr like any other Organisation, the RAF have proposed something without thinking “what would the media think of this if it got out”
Maybe the day will come when the RAF will decide on something and the media will be behind them…
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Which is a real problem the Police have with recruiting candidates from the inner cities that they police. Every so often it gets proposed that maybe we can have Police Officers with low level previous convictions and then the press do the yearly FOI to all of the forces asking how many criminals are in the organisations and that “story” puts paid to the idea.
This is once again showing that the MOD are too stupid/arrogant to learn from other organisations. The Police have worked out how to do positive discrimination without breaking the law. It’s not hard, you can coach people on how the selection process works, you can do that with groups from specific protected characteristics that you want to promote, giving them an advantage over those who haven’t had the coaching.
What you can’t do it select them based on those protected characteristics.
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This does come across a little as proposing not bothering and assuming that a traditionally white named candidate would be better. I don’t think it’s what you meant, but have implicitly framed BAME recruitment as wasted effort over white recruitment.
If it were “this is a situation that makes it difficult to get to BAME recruits into training and therefore is partly why the RAF struggles and could be why a greater focus was placed on it to help address the balance, leading us to this messy situation” without the John Smith bit, it probably would have been less controversial.