I agree that there’s no reason why many CIs wouldn’t be capable of doing Wg roles, although I don’t personally think having a CI in the role would be the best option (that’s another thread!!).
For uniform staff, as I said earlier, I think rank should be related to capability and responsibility. So if a Sgt has the ability to be WATTO and takes on the responsibility, they should be promoted to at least FS. For officers, at least Fg Off, preferably Flt Lt in my opinion.
I agree pretty much entirely!
Ooops, I’ve killed the conversation in this thread then 
Never a bad thing. I was dragging it slightly off topic 
I’m.sure they could.
But first by going into uniform.
Read:
Yeah I know.
But I didnt start the fire.
I’ve known CIs as:
WATTO
First Aid
Radio
And they all did arguably better jobs than the counterparts in other Wings in the same Region
I disagree, they should be promoted with their own branch to a suitable rank. If they are a Sergeant by all means bump them to Flight Sergeant, but you can’t just Commission them on the basis of holding a Wing post. They would need to apply and go through the process like everyone else.
You have just agreed with exactly what @grounded said. A Sgt would go to FS and an officer would go to a higher officer rank.
Good point, I misread their post.
I suppose the Promotion Matrix thing is aimed at the ordinary man off the street. I’m guessing that ex-forces SNCOs and officers retain their proper RAF ranks? If so, there should be a fast track for those with specialist civvy jobs. 9-21 years is a long wait for promotion in a youth organisation.
8 years…that’s the time for topping out the NCO tree.
Not 100% on SNCOs but officers don’t keep their RAF rank when on RAFAC duty. They may be able to skip OASC and go straight in as Flying Officer rather than Pilot Officer but that’s it unless going straight into an established role at a higher rank.
Sooo… 95% of us?
Nope, if they’ve retired from the regulars then they’ve retired. Joining us as a CFAV isn’t signing up again! If they are an ex officer I think there may be some fast tracking (but only to FO?) but who knows if that is still a thing (or ever was) with CFC. 
Even this isn’t a thing any more is it? If you have just done your week at ATF but are in a Sqn Ldr role, you won’t be able to get it I thought?
Acting like promotions (for adults) in a youth organisation mean anything is a bad way to start, tbh.
Technical experience is rewarded by a position of SME, not rank.
I think only if WO1
Which would be a fair number of CFAVs and quickly ruin the purpose of having a rank structure.
It is a strange one.
The cadets just see staff as staff… they see an adult NCO and expect them to be good at nco things, and they see officers and know they have to salute.
It doesn’t matter how many stripes, crowns or blue rings staff have - they have to do the same thing anyway.
Then amongst the adults, it doesn’t really mean a lot.
It’s just part of being more militaristic. And there are lots of examples of muddled up rank weirdness; what matters is who is doing what role.
So I guess this is a roundabout way of saying I agree with the thing that is important is who does what role, not their rank… and often this misaligns.
I know of some FS or equiv coming in as FS