Preparing to Return to F2F Activity... Again/Still

That’s great to hear. AT, especially biking, is probably (covid wise) about as safe as it gets, fresh air and good distance so long as the bikes are cleaned.

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Whistles

Dont look at my bike then…

:rofl: just spray a bit of anti bac and you’ll be fine

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What makes me laugh is we are meant to help the kids learn to respect their HQ’s and help look after it - but expect us the volunteers to clean the place afterwards and not involve the cadets - frankly I do not have the time after a long day at work to then come and volunteer and then clean as well (it will make my day 20 hours long - I get up at 0500 for work and on parades generally get home at 2230). I work in a safety critical industry so if they think I will put myself and others at risk through lack of sleep they have another thing coming.

Our cadets clean the building, we have always provided PPE so are meeting our responsibilities to keep them safe in that regard. Most of the stuff we will need for F2F return we already have (sanitisers, etc) and just need to restock on it all. - in other words for us its about putting in place appropriate measures to maintain the new normal situation. Being a lodger unit though (with ACF) we would have to deep clean everywhere, every night to ensure compliance - 2 staff but no cadet help? - get real!

We could do much more ‘basic’ stuff than that at a Sqn level without the need for equipment or cleaning - how many Sqn’s are more than a few miles from open countryside where we could just meet up, walk for a few hours, do a bit of nav, a bit of leadership/management, and lots of chat?

Two things have crippled this organisation and it’s ability to deliver good experiences to kids - a refusal to believe that there’s anything worthwhile that doesn’t come with a PowerPoint presentation, and it’s massive over-complication of things that several million people manage to achieve, without harm, with 10 year olds every weekend.

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I agree with you but I suppose going walking isn’t practical on parade nights, especially as we edge into October, and it just won’t appeal to ever cadet.

Ultimately they didn’t sign up for a jolly stroll in the countryside.

plenty you can do in a parade night, a staff member could drive ahead and setup scenario activities somewhere along the route.

You wouldn’t want to do that every parade night, but it adds variety to the programme.

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Scottish schools are going back in August, full time and with no requirements to social distance according to Scot Govt. Surely it would be better for HQAC to send Scottish sqns back then, giving them time to deal with issues when they arise and get them sorted before other regions/wings start again. Would prevent every man and their dog needing an issue fixed etc at the same time

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Well looking at the list I think it’s a good guess this was put together by a drill instructor…
Next year will be teams galore in the drill comps

That’s what the government is saying but
The schools and councils are informing parents they will be social distancing and also Attending 2/3 days.

How it’s going to play out is a guess…

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Great shout :wink:

Relating to this I’ve heard from a scouting friend that some employers are not letting their staff volunteer with outside organisations (Particularly youth ) due the risk of the spread between bubbles. Schools apparently seem to be the more reluctant due to the established teaching bubbles even advising the pupils not to break them outside of school.

Has anyone else experienced this or had their employers put down a veto on volunteering?

Hmm there’s a question to ask when I’m next in work. I imagine the majority will take the view “if you get any symptoms …”. It puts a whole different complexion on things if volunteering becomes frowned upon and not covered by the CAC’s billet doux.

Any employer saying what I can and can’t do in my own time (unless it’s working for the competition or stripping in a dingy Westminster basement) will be promptly told to pay me 24/7

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i am leaning towards Farmerdan here.

when does an employer have the say of what occurs outside of my 40hrs a week they pay me to do.

yes they can ask me to complete a random drugs test, which has an impact on what I do outside of those 40hours, but that will be a condition of employment stated and signed on my contract.
indicating, instructing or enforcing what i can or can’t do when I have been doing so longer than I have been an employee does seem heavy handed.

I know my employer:

and refer me to Govt guidelines of what to do from there…

Normally I’d agree.
But these are not normal times.

If cross-bubble interaction brings a greater risk into their workplace then I’d say that they not only have a right, but a legal obligation to address that risk.
Quite how best to address it is open to debate, but everyone is finding their way in this… I don’t think I could outright condemn them.

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Any measure if they care or make any ruling would be temporary.
So no reason to get overly excited. However as seen with the farm recently a few cases and gets shut down. You can see the pov wrt schools as it could mean entire year groups being stopped from going to school, which affects parents who might be getting back to work and then being required to stay off school. I imagine if a case arose on a sqn, the sqn would have to shut and given the range of people on a sqn, the effect could be quite wide ranging, or do we just keep quiet about it?

There is the added issue that with many companies down-sizing & doing redundancies, whilst an individual maybe comfortable from their own safety returning to unit, they would feel unable to due to lack of job security (a company may not offer pay 24/7 but it beats having no pay at all).

A company may not be able to afford a full shut down in business so someone who increases the risk of that may well be for the chopping list when deciding who to let go.

Certain organisations (Police as an obvious example) need formal approval to volunteer, it’s treated as a second job, so they can legitimately say no.