Rank Number PTD Total Range
Lieutenant/Second Lieutenant 5 220 31 to 83
Adult Under Officer 5 202 9 to 84
Captain 5 130 0 to 69
Colonel/Lieutenant Colonel/Major 15 553 12 to 103
Potential Instructor 15 143 0 to 22
Sergeant Instructor/Staff Sergeant 90 1738 0 to 62
Sergeant Major Instructor/
Regimental Sergeant Major Instructor
30 741 0 to 66
Staff Sergeant Instructor 30 576 0 to 41
Total 4303
I know the ATC got given extra money for paid days, but nothing close to the ACF.
i didnt realize they were getting paid again, i am sure at the 2013 Wing Conference we were told there was no money left and they weren’t allocations PTD
By average do you mean the mean, median or mode? Most ACF CFAVs do not get paid upwards of 45 days. All our CFAVs are entitled to 28 PTDs from the county for a year (I believe brigade and national courses come out of a separate pot). If staff do not use their PTDs then these can be reallocated to other members of staff who go over the 28 PTD limit.
PTDs were suspended for a few months back in 2009/2010, and that was for local training. PTDs were still paid for brigade and Frimley courses. It has been business as usual ever since.
By average do you mean the mean, median or mode? Most ACF CFAVs do not get paid upwards of 45 days. All our CFAVs are entitled to 28 PTDs from the county for a year (I believe brigade and national courses come out of a separate pot). If staff do not use their PTDs then these can be reallocated to other members of staff who go over the 28 PTD limit.
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Since the OP was mostly just a jumble of numbers, I read those figure as being the average number of PTDs claimed by instructors of that rank across the county…
Looking at it again… I’m guessing the first figure is the total number of PTDs at that rank for the county and the second is the ‘average range’ ( :? ) claimed by someone of that rank…
So: they’ve paid out 220 days pay to subalterns and an individual subaltern is likely to claim, on average, between 31 and 83 days pay (over what period? a year?)
I don’t really have an opinion one way or another, I’m just confused about what I’m supposed to get from the information posted…
[quote=“kfd” post=15875]I wasnt aware that the ACF staff are on average paid upwards of 45 days in some instances 103 days[/quote]They don’t The average is 19 days. 28 will be granted as long as the balance is for upskilling and/or mandatory training.
Having said that, some have been using the ACF as a kind of unemployment benefit scheme in the recession. One SSI got 183 days one year. Brigade have taken note and the practice has been stopped. All pay claims must show valid reasons for the claim, and not assisting County HQ, Driving duties for CQM etc etc; especially as the RFCA employs people on MOD E2 grade salaries to do these jobs full or part-time. PTDs should be for activities involving actual cadets. Not the admin duties of the cadet forces.
Example: I got a contact down in the West Country who wanted to dispose of some IT projector kit quickly, which we could use in the Detachments. So I hire a van from Hertz, drove all morning to get there, loaded up, drove all afternoon to get back to CHQ and was given £150 from petty cash. Less hire charges, Less a tank of diesel, less a pub lunch and a few pints after the job done, and I’ve made the same as I would as if I’d put in a PTD. But I haven’t used a PTD, and the county gets several £1000s of IT kit for next to nothing. All above board and within rules. Everybody happy.
PTD rates can vary sharply dependent on role or experience level. My first year was 48 days. My second year was 45, 3rd only 9. Can’t remeber the other years but its probably around 15-20 on average but will rise this year because I’ve got all my dates early and got the leave confirmed from work.
I’ve only managed more than 28 (bear in mind I’m allowed 42, 28 for CCF(RAF) and 14 for Contingent Commander duties with the other sections) in the year I took over command and had to attend lots of courses &c. Even then I think I got to about 33 or 34. (And the Unit Security Officer, Minor Units course left me wanting to commit suicide with my pencil on day 2.)
I wonder if not as part of the current AP/review these should not be redifined to encompass paprticipation in public events such as local fetes and so on.
As a sqn we do 3/4 of these each year (one is a weekend), staff are supervising cadets during these and to be honest if you’re involved in a ‘training activity’ of some sort, you don’t always work as hard as you do on community events.
I know of CFAVs that do not even claim pay! Service Instructors do not get paid and can’t even claim mileage allowance.
If getting paid for what we do in the ACO is your main priority then you have got it all wrong!!
[quote=“Bailey” post=15998]I know of CFAVs that do not even claim pay! Service Instructors do not get paid and can’t even claim mileage allowance.
If getting paid for what we do in the ACO is your main priority then you have got it all wrong!![/quote]
But Service helpers will receive a get you to work contribution if they live out, whereas CFAV have to pay their own way to work in it’s entirety. But that is a separate ‘contest’. As for those that don’t claim their PTDs, well that’s their choice.
As I see it GHE was simply thinking aloud. That said, part of our remit is to promote good citizenship, which rather implies that we should take part in public events, and not just hide in our respective HQs. Therefore, is the point not worthy of deliberation?
[quote=“papa november” post=16001][quote=“Bailey” post=15998]I know of CFAVs that do not even claim pay! Service Instructors do not get paid and can’t even claim mileage allowance.
If getting paid for what we do in the ACO is your main priority then you have got it all wrong!![/quote]
But Service helpers will receive a get you to work contribution if they live out, whereas CFAV have to pay their own way to work in it’s entirety. But that is a separate ‘contest’. As for those that don’t claim their PTDs, well that’s their choice.
As I see it GHE was simply thinking aloud. That said, part of our remit is to promote good citizenship, which rather implies that we should take part in public events, and not just hide in our respective HQs. Therefore, is the point not worthy of deliberation?[/quote]
Reserve Service Instructors are entitled to nothing!
[quote=“Bailey” post=15998]I know of CFAVs that do not even claim pay! Service Instructors do not get paid and can’t even claim mileage allowance.
If getting paid for what we do in the ACO is your main priority then you have got it all wrong!![/quote]
That is all well and good, but GHE has a valid point: What makes one approved, valid, day-long Corps activity attract remuneration whilst another does not? You may even be doing the same thing (run a PR stand at a local fete vs running a PR stand at an airshow)
Bailey, Of all the reservists that I know that do help out with the ATC, all of them are CIs within the ACO. If you went that route, then you would get your HTD contributions, and still get the satisfaction of helping. The only down side(?) is that you wouldn’t be allowed to wear your ‘other service’ uniform.
PN I am not after pay for what I volunteer to do for the ACO, if I was I would have applied for a Dual Commission or as you say gone down the CI route. The point I was making that not everyone does it to be paid!
[quote=“Bailey” post=16002][quote=“papa november” post=16001][quote=“Bailey” post=15998]I know of CFAVs that do not even claim pay! Service Instructors do not get paid and can’t even claim mileage allowance.
If getting paid for what we do in the ACO is your main priority then you have got it all wrong!![/quote]
But Service helpers will receive a get you to work contribution if they live out, whereas CFAV have to pay their own way to work in it’s entirety. But that is a separate ‘contest’. As for those that don’t claim their PTDs, well that’s their choice.
As I see it GHE was simply thinking aloud. That said, part of our remit is to promote good citizenship, which rather implies that we should take part in public events, and not just hide in our respective HQs. Therefore, is the point not worthy of deliberation?[/quote]
Reserve Service Instructors are entitled to nothing![/quote]
That’s not strictly true for all reservists, I know plenty of OTC and UAS Cadets whose units allow them to claim pay for helping with ATC duties.
