Funny that
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And only 9 days past the start date on SMS.
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Yes and no.
It’s all well and good having assistance with the paperwork, but the person submitting it needs to actually understand it and have ownership of it.
If you look back at the Coroners Court from the London Wing event one of the things that those 3 volunteers got pulled apart for was that the WO who had pulled all the paperwork together had 1 view of the risks involved in the activity and the activity Commander had a lesser opinion of the risks.
Certainly exists in C&E so that’s half the Corps with templates and example the Staff can use.
This would require staff to actually bother engaging with SME’s well in advance. I had a Squadron drop an activity on me with less than a weeks notice a few weeks back, I wouldn’t have minded but it was a terrible application and I was on holiday. It’s the first time I’ve ever rejected something rather than just sending it back for amendment.
Only amber warning mentioned.
No mention of red warning for those travelling.
Worlds shortest approval statement for arguably the RAFACs largest activity.
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That’s something which really grinds my gears, as an approver I tend to write War & Peace!
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Also…
Check out the staff list… clucks sake.
Out of 45 staff, 15 still only showing as bidding.
Cadets not all selected either.
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Did anybody really think they’d cancel it though? That was obviously never going to happen, RAFAC wouldn’t be able to afford it.
Also interesting to see the number of uniformed staff attending riat.
No SC recorded on sms for them.
A number of staff also dont have a first aid qual recorded…
Not all have CLIMATIC INJURES…
Seriously HQAC who checked this activity application?
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Sub Apps!
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Seen! But those are in draft so are we back to step 1?
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Indeed. They may as well not have bothered. It’s meant to be pre-authorised.
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Agree with all you said…
Its the over reaching attitude that needs to change - just because it is made easier does not mean you don’t have to take all the risks etc into consideration
What I am championing is working together with the SMEs to make the process smoother and enable more thing to happen - I am not just pushing for simple pre written paperwork it is about enabling more for the cadets in a safe manner
Maybe it means we need more SMEs to be single role and not double hatted so they can devote themselves to doing this
People submitting late applications get what they deserve unless they can justify it - but likewise I have submitted applications months in advance and they have not been reviewed until just before and then they have come back with a list of corrections etc that I am expected to turnaround in hours
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this is my biggest bug bare - or at least our Sqn.
I have only just starting thinking about leading events again Post C19 and seeing how other Sqn Staff are getting treated with 11th hour demands to change things I thought I would get ahead of the game and in May drafted what i thought was suitable paperwork.
This was summitted with some amendments to make and request for another document - I complete it off the provided template and resubmit - now I need to complete something else…when will it stop and why is this not being offered at the start.
a basic flow chart would help:
is your event X, Y or Z - yes, continue to box A, no continue to box B
Box A - you need Forms 001, 002, and 005 - does your event include W? Yes go to box C, no go to Box D
Box B - you need forms 001, 002, 003 and 010. - does your event inclu…etc
instead i complete what is required only to find Wing wants more from me…
why can’t these Wing approvers be helpful from the start rather than drip feed support at each stage.
At this point I am beginning to wonder if all of this will be worth it - it is just a museum visit after all - not like I am taking cadets up Kilimanjaro
This is 100% a problem, too few doing too much.
That’s really not on.
That’s exactly what I do, I’ll reviews the whole application and you will get it back with a. List of everything that needs to be changed. So it should only come back once.
thank goodness there are some good ones out there
the frustration i have with the POC i am dealing with is they seem to have an attitude of “oh you again, why can’t you get it right first time - you are taking up a lot of my time”
to which i want to reply in CAPS stop complaining and start supporting but have bitten my tongue so far
There is no definition of ‘right’ and I’ve had quite different feedback from different approvers for identical activities (only a date change!)
Part of the problem is the way that it is hard to make changes to an activity once submitted, such as changing staff or adding an RA. Can be a real problem when relying on 3rd parties such as a venue to supply their supporting documentation, or where plans might have to change because numbers change.
If it goes back to draft you’re back to the last minute approval problem.
I don’t have the answer, I’ve had arguments the other way from Sqns that an event is still in draft so they won’t add their cadets - but if they don’t I can’t get it approved.
Perhaps the system isn’t granular enough.
I’ve had an issue as a WATTO that my predecessor was to put it nicely far too lenient in what they used to sign off. This means that despite my reiterating more than once what myself and the RATTO expecting still getting applications put in with massive issues but which would’ve been signed off by my predecessor.
Could an SME provisionally approve an event e.g. approves it then returns to draft for additional bits.
It then logs in the approval chain & means that if it is last minute then you’ve got a bit of cover of verbal approval,
I do think the comments section on the approval tab is under-utilised & there should be more encouragement to make use of it as log of specific actions taken.
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The CCF ‘Training Approval Form’ comes with just such a flowchart.
Just sayin’…
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Maybe it needs an extra step such as pre approval.
I think this came up in another thread that draft and approved is too limiting, for example I might want to put up an activity in draft to hold the date and organise the staff team but not want Cadets to sign up.
Yea we could do that on Teams but better to have one tool.
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