Sat in the pub on after a squadron night with some other staff out for a beer, two 18+ cadets from your Squadron walk in, is corps guidance applicable??
Sat in the pub after a parade night with some of the other staff members. As itâs just mates, their kids decide to come along. Their kids also happen to be cadets as well. Where would we stand?
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No, the policy saus âWhile conductig RAFAC activityâ or âwhile attending an event representing the RAFACâ.
You canât socialise you the staff cadets if they walk in, as that goes against ACP 4. But you donât need to get up and leave.
As above really. Except the ACP 4 bit doesnât apply. Youâre not meeting up with cadets. Youâre meeting up with your mates and their kids.
A group of (6-8) parents and the Padre, who have, for the last 4 dining in nights, met up in the pub round the couple, for a couple of pre-dinner drinks, continue the âtraditionâ this year.
Do you flatly refuse entry, or are you pragmatic by letting them in despite knowing itâs against the rules?
I am thinking of pulling the plug on our dinner, refunding parents and cadets and sending bill to HQAC for losses incurred due to policy change.
Already takes too long and too many hoops to jump through based on last years rules - why bother
Oh its my biggest fundraiser and event of the year
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Per the rules, anyone who has had any alcohol in the 8 hours before the dinner canât attend. So youâd have to reject them at the door 
However this is completely unenforceable, and probably the stupidest and most unenforceable rule Iâve seen in a while. I can understand HQAC drawing a line and saying alcohol canât be served at any event with cadets present. But how are we meant to enforce the 8 hour rule at a dinner? Are we meant to bretherlize our guests/parents as they arrive? 
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The danger is this becomes and 11th Commandment situation - although its a big risk seeing as how nearly everything ends up as a picture on World Wide Web
Maybe weâll be provided with breathalysers to go alongside our new WBGTs too!
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That just prompts me on something.
So if you have a church parade where cadets are parading in uniform - can they take communion?
Can Sqn padres take part in the rest of a cadet parade if they have taken communion?
Communion wine often has the reputation of being quite potent.
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The futureâŚâŚthe door of a Sqn dining in venueâŚ
OC - âMr Smith, itâs great to see you here supporting your son. HoweverâŚ.despite the invitation letter stating that you mustnât have consumed alcohol in the preceding 8 hours, I strongly suspect you, and your good lady wife, to have partaken of a cheeky G & T in the comfort of your own home prior to this evenings event?â
Mr Smith - âAnd?â
OC - âAndâŚI am obliged to ask you to blow into this HQAC approved, Civ Com funded breathalyser!â
Mr Smith - pffffffffffffffff
OC - âkeep blowing, keep blowing, STOP!â
Mr Smith - âDoris, could you hand me my inhaler please?â
OC - âMr Smith, the breathalyser tells me that you do have a small amount of alcohol in your system, and I am therefore required - by the power invested in me by an IBN - to refuse you permission to enter these premises!â
Mr Smith - â?!?!?!?!â
OC - âIf itâs any consolationâŚâŚyou are still below the legal drink drive limit, so you can happily drive home!â
OC - âMr SmithâŚone last thingâŚ.thank you for all your fund raising efforts over the last 12 months!â
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Will be interesting to see how CCFs apply this. School policy at my place allows two glasses of wine and a port at formal dinners provided only 6th form are present. School rules should take precedence on the school site
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If itâs on school premises then head DDH so RC has no say.
Does give me a cunning plan forming in my head thoughâŚâŚ
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Except ACP 20 trumps all, especially items related to safeguarding. Or so it shouldâŚ
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On a school premises itâs the schools safeguarding that has primacy I believe due to the Education Act so a bit difficult to trump.
CCF event are school activities I know of at least one head who pulled rank on a contingent commander & ordered a school return from a summer camp early.
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I would say where two policies conflict when it comes to safeguarding, youâd choose the âstricterâ one. (For want of a better phrase)
If school policy says staff can have up to 2 glasses of wine, but RAFAC policy says you canât have any, then you canât have any. That way youâre not breaking either policy.
That is how it should be be. But often isnât.
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But then the school bring out the âAviation Clubâ
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So what youâre saying is that, once again, we have a policy that hasnât been properly thought out, with all possibilities covered?
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With more hair?
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That will never fly
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I mean by coincident we havenât had alcohol at Sqn Dinners for a couple of years (staff who canât / donât want to drink), by default the guests havenât even.
Never once has it impacted a venue taking us on - we are up front at the very beginning with the fact weâll have no alcohol (in fact on some occasions theyâve taken money off the total cost!), or a guest hasnât come to the meal because we arenât drinking.
Always been very successful.
Maybe biased because I donât drink alcohol but I donât see any problems whatsoever with the new policy, and for those who do enjoy an alcoholic beverage when away there is still a few caveats where you can.
Iâm sure we all have stories on people (and regularly) who donât behave with alcohol, are hung over in the mornings, or pressurise others into drinking particularly with the lower costs. Itâs no surprise that they are taken a firmer worded policy because people roll their eyes and go whatever
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