New Smoking and Drinking Policy

I think it’s a big of a stretch to say that CWC events aren’t Squadron events.

What do you do about Cadets who want to attend events without there parents? That’s probably the majority of NCO’s at a Squadron Quiz night for example.

All this is going to lead to is far less fund-raising by the CWC as other opportunities are in competition with other organisations, such as bag packs. Other organisations will be sat back laughing at the RAFAC losing out at fund-raising, at thing like local fairs etc where there is a beer tent and heaven forbid for the food fascists there is a hog roast.

I think you’ve got to go to the base principal of “what is this policy trying to do?”

In short it is aiming to protect children from

  • being in direct danger from intoxicated people
  • being put in a dangerous situation or incident supervised by intoxicated people
  • becoming intoxicated themselves.

So simple solution is that where matters are controlled by RAFAC you reduce the risk.

You do this by
-CFAVs not being able to drink alcohol while responsible for cadets.
-cadets not being able to access alcohol.

Now you could mitigate the first one by having a duty CFAVs within ratio but you run the risk of cadets not identify, people not challenging drunken behaviour & behaviour unbecoming in front of cadets so simpler to forbade all adults.

If the two control points can be actioned as far you can within you cadet experience then you have discharged your duty & the event is acceptable.

If it is outside your control (& refusing entry is inside your control) then you can’t control it e.g. community fete in public park where members of the public take their own booze.

If it is in your control then you have to take steps to minimise the risk.

The key is not to over think or ask the policy to cover every possible example but individual decisions based on the individual event/situation regarding the base principles of the policy at all times.

What if, while attending the party, none of us reasonably believes it’s actually a party?

Does this defence still hold sway in the court of public opinion, or has Boris ruined ignorance for us too?

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SERE 175 at DIOT, ignorance is no defence.

I hear ya… :wink:

At my previous Sqn we always had a cadet dinner in which the staff served the cadets much the way a junior ranks xmas dinner is done - then we would have a “Sqn” dinner which cadets would do a guard of honour then disperse - think I will have to adopt that at my current Sqn… also reading the policy re- off duty and external events sound like I need to be careful what I drink at the forthcoming summer ball! :crazy_face:

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I see what you did there.

Cadets who smoke are doing so in the finest tradition of the Royal Air Force - I’m thinking of smoke-filled aircrew briefing rooms before a mission over the Ruhr here - and we as adult staff should respect their homage to the days when both the Corps and its parent service saw their Finest Hour. Neither organisation has been the same since; the decline in smoking has mirrored the decline of the effectiveness of the RAF, just as the disappearance of the military moustache did the same for the British Army and Royal Marines (we’re thinking of Operation Corporate in '82 this time).
However, cadet smokers have to be made to undergo the full historical re-enactment of their activity: that is, wearing RAF blue battledress and with replica Victory brand cigarettes. They’ll love them, by all accounts. :grin:

All the cool kids are vaping these days, get with the times

All cool looking kids are storing up potential serious lung damage from these things, been in the news in the UK recently and in the USA.

The CT scan shows devastating lung damage.

We are by allowing children to use these products we are potentially facing a lot of lung damaged people. As they are relatively new we have no long term knowledge of the effect on lung tissue. They should be discouraged unless used as a weaning tool from tobacco to abstinence.

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I’ve been told CRAFAC recently had a sense of humour failure when a clear violation of the drinking policy was posted on SM!

Everyone knows the first rule of drink club - don’t talk (or post) about drink club.

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Don’t blame him - apparent his first big function involved a dinner & drunken antics by staff & cadets in front of him so he’s got a very dim impression of it.

Good luck to all the International Air Cadet Exchange escorting staff, (mainly HQAC staff, because the likes of you and me would never get in on a free holiday like this), who, for the next 2 weeks will have to stand up to their foreign hosts and distinguished guests, and enforce the ‘no alcohol with cadets present’ policy at all the meet & greets / receptions / cookouts / banquets / dinner nights / farewell drinks parties laid on for them.

Can’t wait to see all the social media photos that suggest otherwise!!!

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IACE has been dry for a number of years!

Even back when I visited Belgium in 2012, I think there may have been an “issue” the previous year.

Erm… it aint that dry

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Like a Martini?

Anyone fancy sharing the email that’s gone out to RIAT staff, per VRT_Memes latest post?

It’s wrong anyway. It’s not been declared that all staff must remain dry at an event. It’s In the presence of cadets that it must be no alcohol.

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I’ve not got the email but it will be a reminder of the basic rules in place for a number of years.

No drinking outside of the bar (ie tent parties)
No drinking past last orders +20 minutes
No excessive drinking
If not fit for duty the next day its your last day

As @Giminion suggests its not a “camp is dry” its simply confirming how the policy is being enforced

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