The IBN didn’t seem to cover what the alternative is for those who can’t use the app for ID. All the way along an alternative was promised, but it seems to have been missed/forgotten now. As we can no longer get 3822’s, what is the alternative and how do we get it?
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Cadets under 16 have no need to have ID on station - they are escorted by the CFAVs they are with. Cadets over 16 can get a station pass just like any other person (or CI) vising a station who are not MoD90 holders. ITS NOT COMPLICATED, it’s a system we have used for decades for CIs, and the RAF have used for visitors to stations. And a 3822 WAS NEVER an official form of ID. Accepted yes, but official no, so we are actually in a better situation than we were before.
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How often do cadets actually go to one of the 4 RAF stations that are left? If it’s ours, then they’d only need once a year, tops.
I’m going to ask a silly question.
I take it Army /Navy bases have been informed of the air cadet change as well?
I’m assuming they have & it’ll be fine but…
It’s just there’s a tendency amongst RAFAC to only think single service & then get surprise when blockers suddenly pop up. I know there a couple of air cadet Sqns on the other services bases. There will be ways round but short term confusion is never good.
I know the army base I went on accepted air cadet 3822s as did the naval bases. (Having said that the MoD Plod at the army bases saw no need in us getting a pass in lieu of a MOD90 as we were in uniform and happy waved us in & out the gate with our stopping or checking anything more advanced than a Tescos club card so probably won’t be an issue)
Ben has said that defence security agencies have been engaged.
How deep the training has reached, remains to be seen, but still, the numbers of cadets visiting stations and not being covered by the CFAV escorting them in by car, minibus or coach is going to be extremely small.
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Which RAF Police are running alongside your car checking your ID while you’re driving? You’ll stop at the gate and show ID in the same way you normally do. Honestly, let’s not over complicate this.
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Not what I meant. It’s still against the law to use your phone while stopped.
(Just realised this is best suited in the other thread - oops)
No it isn’t. Plus an RAF station is “private” land so doesn’t come under the same rules.
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Roll up to the line, put the car into neutral, handbrake on. It’s the same as paying with your phone in a drive-thru.
Actually that exemption wouldn’t apply to this sort of thing, it’s very specific that it’s about contactless payments.
However as pointed out above the Road Traffic Act doesn’t apply on MOD property.
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…yeah, we’re really getting off track here.
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Seriously? If I rock up to the gates of RAF Odiham asking for day passes for cadets they would turn us away. I agree that cadets don’t go that often but it takes a good 5 minutes to get a CI booked in and this won’t be practical and burdens the guardroom unnecessarily.
One place I’ve been that gave cadets passes HMNB Portsmouth.
Our host had organised this in advance and we therefore had no issues and successfully gained access to HMS Prince of Wales
When I was a staff cadet I’d use my 3822 to get unescorted day passes and vehicle passes regularly. It took me about 30 seconds. I was in Lincolnshire and surrounded by about 10 RAF stations, almost every activity I did as a cadet was on one so I had to do it effectively every week🤔
Cadets are escorted anyway though aren’t they? I didn’t think there was any question of that changing, although I might be wrong
From experience of living on RAF stations, kids need ID from 14 - I wasn’t aware this was higher for cadets. To book someone in through the guardroom,(as I have done many times for work, cadets and personal reasons), the person still requires some form of official photo ID - like a driving licence or passport. Having asked my cadets who are unable to get the app, due to their phones being too old or not having one, some don’t have either of those documents either. So I am not trying to over complicate this, I am just trying to work out what to do before I turn up with a minibus full of cadets at my parent station - who ask to see every cadets ID, even when travelling in a vehicle with staff.
We were previously told there would be an alternative - so clearly a need for one was foreseen - I am just asking what that is and how do we get it. I thought this forum was here to help, not attack people asking genuine questions. I am not anti this app - the majority of my cadets have it and are happily using it. I am also not sorry to see the back of 3822’s - less admin is always welcome.
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You guys want to try using the CCF ID card - usually results in puzzled looks and scratched heads all round. Not to mention the time I (stupidly) turned up at a station with a mixed CCF group - RN and Army as well - and they made all the RN and Army cadets line up for a photo ID for an escorted badge…
So if they done need passes… why do they need an app as a pass???
So we’ve kinda tried this before then but not quite delivered 
Calling it a card is a bit of a stretch. It’s a small piece of paper with a passport photo superglued to it. We gave up trying to use them and sneakily got hold of some 3822 when cadets went on camp.
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