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Depends on where you work, mine is fully accredited to FAW level with Cat Bleeds included and refreshed every 12 months.

In Kent however they only get EFW as standard, which is the minimum permitted by the College of Policing.

The AFO firearms module is far in advance of FAW in the areas of trauma (it includes airways and administering plasma etc) but won’t have things like diabetes (although this should be covered in routine training).

No it doesn’t, unless forces are acting outside of the APP.

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Yeah, if you look at the UK PHEM grades, AFOs will sit a lot higher than someone with FAW.

Will be the last bit then - it was the reason given why a number of Specials who were also qualified paramedics had to do the first aid training which was effectively EFA with a bit of major bleeds.

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Ah, so it was used as a way of telling someone “shut up and do your mandatory training, we don’t care what you do in your other role”

It also depends on how it’s delivered, for us we don’t do “first aid training” as a refresher, we do “Officer safety training” which is your fighting skills and first aid delivered side by side with your fitness test. So holding higher levels of qualification doesn’t make any difference, you still need to do it to be operational.

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I don’t like what that guy is doing with that propeller, and one of the cadets looks to be quite close to it as well.

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Is there not an element of LOTO when the engine cover is off like that? So should be fine? Ish…

Certainly doesn’t look like good practise though!

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thank good someone has their thumbs up and looks to be enjoying themselves - other than the Cadet 4 behind these cadets look like they have missed out on a flight not come off one!

I’m sure there was an instance a few years ago of keys being left in a Tutor at an airshow and a young person sat in the seat turned the key :dizzy_face: Not a good example to set anyway.

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Do you ACTUALLY know what is going on as the aircraft eould have been checked to be in a safe condition, to the ill informed observers should either ask the persons involved or stop spreading false pointless comment’s on here

i don’t doubt it - but propellers should always be treated as “live”

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Replace the word “aircraft” with “Rifle” - would the same exemption apply?

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Yes because the person at the prop end would not be there if the aircraft was in a state where the prop could be started… My point is typing stuff on here without fact checking just starts false news. There are lots of photos with rifles no one randomly types ‘I am worried’, well they probably do.

Just typing ‘I am worried’ without knowing what is going on insinuates the persons do not know what they are doing, put simply if the aircraft was in an unsafe state public/cadets would not be anywhere near them,that prop is not going anywhere.

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To be fair, I’d be pretty worried if I saw a photo on the HQ website with a rifle pointed at a person. Even if no mag and bolt pulled to the rear. That’s the comparison here.

We know almost certainly that the prop isn’t going to start, but it’s not ‘good practise’. Same as with a hypothetical rifle photo.

Above is what I said, not ‘I’m worried’. I’m sure he checked it first, but sets a bad example and could get young impressionable people comfortable being so near the mincing machine.

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That’s true for the likes of you and me, but someone has to work on those propellers and that wouldn’t be possible if always treated as live.

Considering all I can see is a prop and part of an uncovered engine, I can’t even say this is a full aircraft and not a dummy engine.

the full photo is available on the above link…it is an aircraft (looks like their Eurostar) with the engine exposed

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I can’t find the poster I remember as a cadet titled “beware the propeller arc” (which was exceptionally gory cartoon with an eye ball flying off) but I did find these. Top one is from the CAA.


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An LAE would always check the state of the engine before working on it, whereas anybody on an airfield should always as I did when working on a hardstanding steer well clear of said engines.