MTP 23

Does anyone know anything about the new MTP 23 rig which is starting to trickle down to Reserve units now?

The trousers seem rather better than the PCS. I haven’t seen the shirt in real life yet.

Only really what was released when it originally was announced:

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/personal-clothing-system-2023-pcs-23-new-kit-coming.316327/

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The narrower waist, as detailed on the new trousers, might eliminate some CFAVs :joy:

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But maybe a better fit for Cadets?

Pleats?

The shirts are out of stock in my size, but I’ve just got a pair of the trousers, a size higher than my old PCS ones, and they’re awful. The waist pockets have moved to the front and are flat like the pockets on jeans now. No netting or zip pocket and you can barely get your hands in, let alone keys, phones, etc. The button-down back pocket has been replaced with chino-style slit pockets without a button: so be ready to lose your wallet. Finally the map pockets now have pleats running through them and the tops are elasticated. This combination makes them impossible to iron.

As a possibly reflection on today’s Service (with easier fitness tests, etc.) the waist is elasticated and the seat and crotch reinforced.

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I think i’ll hang onto my CS95 MTP stuff as long as possible if that’s the state of current issue kit lol

Also important to note the other Improvements with this kit

Combat Jacket
No doubt made narrower so we can tuck it in and keep looking daft treating it like a shirt
Pleats so that the army (and Rock apes) can keep insisting on Creasing combats

Trousers
with the equally daft changes @JustCallMeFlight mentioned
along with a thinner leg, fitting the human form better (You know, the thing camouflage is meant to disrupt)

UBA(C?)S
Nah that’s ally I’ll give them that
other than the fact they cant keep the initialism straight

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UBACS gone back from full MTP to tan & MTP.

And there was a proposal for us to be allowed to use it, part of the argument is it is full MTP!

At least they appear to have left the smock alone.

It is a shirt. The saving grace here is that we’re all supposed to be getting issued MTP CS95 barrack shirts as well.

Have you seen the aircrew variant of the smock on the kit section of the MyRAF app? It appears to have some of the same changes as the MTP 23 shirt.

You say that, but I’ve noticed a lot of smocks with zips on the hand-warmers, a lack of netting on the interior, and an almost stiff figure

although that could just be that I’ve got an odd one :man_shrugging:

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I’ve noticed a few variations as well, including black lining on some.

I wear the aircrew variant smock with cuffs tagged on as well. Nice bit of kit.

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Those are the mk2

I have one (found it at a show brand new in packet for £20). But I wear it mostly ‘in barracks’ as I also have a well worn, faded and therefore ally mk1 for fieldcraft and the ranges.

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Goretex lined.

Great bit of kit but quite heavy and hard to find so not cheap.

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It’s not, amongst Nations with similar items of uniform leave it untucked and and treat it how the label says they should.

Oh when I leave my Sqn I’m buying them a Mk 2 to go back into stores

I’m keeping my busted 2nd hand one as long as possible :rofl:

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Aye, I’m CFAV so don’t have to hand mine back, but I’m hoping it will have a long and fulfilling life post retirement on walks out on the hills.

Had mine for 6 years now, still a cadet and its staying with me lol

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Is nonsense. If it was a jacket, we wouldn’t wear a ‘field jacket’ (what the label in the smock says) or MVP (goretex) jacket, or a jumper, over the top of it, would we?

Edit to add: Anyway, with the shirt untucked, no one would be able to see the lovely stable belts we’re all going to be issued and would therefore mistake us for soldiers.

grrrrrr you really know how to exploit my taste in the shiny and colourful

but in all seriousness,

Yes
Layers are Friends

I’ve only seen that done with Barrack shirts
BUT
I do know there was a period where the Army didn’t issue them for a while forcing poor sods to put their clothes on the wrong way round :wink:

Guess what the label says in ‘barrack shirts’?