Missing submersible

Submersible missing following a dive onto the Titanic, maybe trapped down there or there is a comms failure.
Rescue seems impossible unless they can self rescue.

It’s a really sad situation :frowning:

Seems to have been missing over 24h now, and they don’t know if it’s on the surface or still below. I saw something mention if it’s a complete electrical failure they can drop weights and float back up to the surface. But then can’t communicate. So really really hoping that’s what has happened!

They’ve got Poseidons out looking, so :crossed_fingers: :crossed_fingers:

¼ of a million quid to do that dive …

Been missing since yesterday according to reports. Not much can get down there… So yeah, unless a self rescue is possible…

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12,500 feet down, I suspect, that detection is impossible considering it maybe on or close to Titanic. I remember this six years years ago, lost with all hands, and she was found approximately 3000 feet down because the impact caused a seismic anomaly.

They’re doing a news conference now. Reckon they have about 70 hours of oxygen, so there is hope, even if it’s little.

You may find them but AFAIK there in no rescue vessel and few ROVs capable of working at that depth.

UK is part of the NATO Submarine Rescue service but only operate to approx 600 meters approx 2000 feet.

The last submarine rescue that the world was involved in was the AS 28 rescue off Kamchatka Peninsula in Russia in 2005. The RAF flew the British team to Russia.

Rescue from submarines require a fairly standardised hatch to allow the rescue craft to mate on the stranded vessel and allowing crew transfer under a 1 atmosphere pressure environment, which I suspect this doesn’t have.

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P8 submarine? :thinking:

There are a couple of other subs that can go to these depths.
Google bathosubmercibals.

IF they can be found, and IF one of those can be FLOWN out and deployed.
Then it can at least assess the situation and maybe do something.
Ceetainly can’t transfer people.

Might be as little as nudge the weights see if that frees them.

Or even just to video final messages to family.

Where is International Rescue when you need them?

God save their souls.

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Pressure increases at 1 atmosphere per 10 metres. If they’re at the level of the Titanic, which is 3,800 metres below sea level, pressure would be roughly 380 atmospheres or 5,600 PSI.

If they made it that far down, then a catastrophic hull breach would be merciful.

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12500 feet is 300x the pressure of a car tyre

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At that depth a hull implosion would cause such instantaneous death that the human body would feel nothing as it happened. If the hull is intact then a slow death by CO2 poisoning rather than by hypoxia will be the order of the day. The book about the AS 24 Priz rescue is an interesting read.

A Canadian ship, HMCS Glace Bay, has been despatched. It has a decompression chamber on board, and specialist dive medics

With less than a days air left now…

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I’m sorry to be a downer but they were dead the moment things went wrong. Even if located there’s no way they’ll be recovered in time.

I hope to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will be.

There is also an element of me (albeit a heartless one) that objects to the amount of money being spent to try and rescue a bunch of millionaires who knowingly took a massive risk, when we can’t spend money on improving the lives of poor people. I know that’s an unpopular opinion.

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Which will be able to do nothing unfortunately, the depth at which this submersible is far to far for any rescue except self rescue and that is a diminishing hope if they are alive. As somebody else has said, they probably died at the point comms were lost.

At most, it is an exercise in search and recovery.

it is a case of “quick wins” I suspect.

lets say the total cost of the rescue effort (if indeed such a figure could be calculated) is $100,000
how far would that go to improve the situations for “poor people”?
barely touch the surface - throwing money at poor people doesn’t work without tackling the reasons why they are poor - they end up being long term projects.

a rescue effort for four otherwise insignificant people with a short deadline sees a “benefit”

I do not disagree with your point but the “return on investment” is the deciding factor i suspect

I’m no expert in this matter but it does seem to be that rescue is slim to none.

Nevertheless, these are human beings, rich or poor. People also sign forms aware of risks for surgery and other everyday scenarios that carry risk, doesn’t mean we should show them such disregard. This is tragic and these people have loved ones, show some basic empathy.

To think a CFAV in this organisation has that kind of attitude is worrying.

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“I’m sorry to be a downer but they were dead the moment things went wrong.”

You have evidence of this or just another keyboard warrior who, like the press, wants to speculate for no other reason than gossip

Other than the experts such as Admiral Parry saying that we won’t have the capacity to raise it even if we do find it within the time available to them (which in itself is highly unlikely given the search area and depth involved).

I’m not saying that all signs of life had disappeared at the moment things went wrong. Simply that from that point on the likelihood of a recovery before the oxygen runs out is so small that their fate was sealed. As I say, I hope I’m wrong and have prayed for their safety, but all evidence I’ve seen from the experts interviewed suggest that they are sadly looking for a miracle.

Sorry if expressing that opinion makes me a keyboard warrior.

On the other point, it was phrased clumsily. I am all for trying to rescue people. What I dislike is that money can always be found by national governments to help when rich people are affected, but never when it’s the poorer people in society, who are instead vilified by politicians and press alike.

(And this mission is likely going to cost millions, not ÂŁ100,000 as suggested above. Would it solve poverty or world hunger? No. Could it be invested to help a small community help themselves? Certainly.)

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